From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 787bb8ad for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 00:40:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0C8B593D79; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:40:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3723793D1B; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:40:08 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="v1ZE1oA2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E511793D1B; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:40:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-f176.google.com (mail-il1-f176.google.com [209.85.166.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C60BB93D09 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2020 10:40:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-f176.google.com with SMTP id p78so2378132ilb.10 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xwqa5lXG4hubiTxJCtd640Pay8Edh2XXv6AG35otvHw=; b=v1ZE1oA2v9WPWXs9GFnmF524s6KbAvDG4FMW07BYHybC8pyWIkFDcTHq+UaMuSmFNI 55uJ67HkvjR7WtrH0lsJPysSVWHNpmq6YM+ULFco8ptpkQOGDhauBWJVk1bZxvSJIfaC i4rHxXr1RrNXpDnqe3m6VbFu8MQKvsRoSNCtlCERGi4bj3m9Qu+J3JcwbDDdcA8EhwE9 W7lWda09zst7iQxFgVfm2ITYPCinqyrbpO0z0KtWpwE0CKNZ/W16frlwBYPwadqzU0u5 Fdl2ci+llxGS/jbTqDAvg3rRRzHagOuYU1/VgeNhpWYVqNgz7R1EgP5IMOPvXqpRBT0C Mcug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xwqa5lXG4hubiTxJCtd640Pay8Edh2XXv6AG35otvHw=; b=r25BK4n0rl+ehfityxtxpUVLobs99OHH7baV+q8OvC6mcOA4ucBkb3bSA77acTfpCf UqT9zRGOLCgC/2bW+5Pdud/OfhuQDmzlfsvRKzKrtMXE89cdzVvuMq47Nz4uBMvdQd9I 8fCOzWVuK6V7GZ7FejfvEUyb9dMuw93kqAZHpBvOEI2cdbdV/XDE3THgSF9f3nLEFngB 7wNc3VpAjwoLc/OIqEO0u+bb807pcbd6FANA4Z7eH4Noyuen2KKSHR9TXdmgaKcoMgBq I4mUX9TfDVn/8k3q78j+mvWWBz3dQfvuiHQXFHQLY2fZOkBTLo8VCHzCD/wd7hIE8S7F Q/JA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVe0IIk7dACSafhcUG5iYlS/yAd4WcLWLycqMe5AwZjyUOJA0hE M3jxviU5f7wymUVguH34wbEHAa3YWLKLB4fAhmU8vJ7tzlk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxZkLEpPViZKQPYugDsoZ91pVqwhOVMGwLRXZFXHOWH9Ddq2h4mXDlpMkSNm2FRvLDgdvXdeCtZrVI5Tg1xjEA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5d88:: with SMTP id e8mr27313902ilg.106.1582159203180; Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <23e6d5ca-c9c6-694d-0613-c66626579be8@solar.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <23e6d5ca-c9c6-694d-0613-c66626579be8@solar.stanford.edu> From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 11:39:51 +1100 Message-ID: To: Deborah Scherrer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Who is the inventor of email? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Email was in the EMAS system in Edinburgh university very soon after full multiaccess services were released, Certainly by the early 1970s. By the time VMS was released, email between nodes was a fact of life. JANET had email in the coloured book series. It was ubiquitous by the late 1970s. It is important not to mistake the formal syntactic mechanism of saying who you are mailing, with where they are, as a definition of user@host, the actual mechanism of saying "send this to " can be completely decoupled from having names, host names, domain names or any analogous construct. Mail existed long before we had to do "shebang" paths, and I mean mail between discrete, independent computers. -George On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:33 AM Deborah Scherrer wrote: > > A version of email was included in the original DARPA version of the > internet. This was early 1970s. In fact, when we played with and > evaluated it at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, our report noted that the > internet would probably not be very useful for exchanging scientific > files (as had been the original purpose). However, we did note that > email might become very useful. ;-) > > Deborah > > On 2/19/20 4:06 PM, Ed Carp wrote: > > I've noticed that some guy named Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai is all over > > Twitter, claiming that he is the inventor of email. He doesn't look > > like he's nearly old enough. I thought it was Ray Tomlinson. Looks > > like he's trying to create some press for his Senate run. > > > > Anyone older that me here that can either confirm or deny? Thanks! >