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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" heading off-piste, the Boox series are also worth looking at. Android, anything android can do, a boox will do slowly in eInk. their version of the reMarkable markup thing may not be as "good" but its the alternate, and alternate pricepoint. when I think about the BSD manuals, bound with steel rods, in a metal construct welded to the desk at the back of the lab. Wonderful source of knowledge. Or.. the VMS fiche set, and the reader. you want to fix this problem? ok, if you learn Bliss32, then everything is in this stack of blue-grey plastic, if your eyes are good enough. No peeking. I think the experiential aspects of 2D thinking with pens, on paper are lost online. I totally don't engage with "visualisations" beyond the very very good. It is very easy to avoid having to say why by falling back on "my eyes aren't good" or "I don't understand this" but in truth, I dont LIKE them. I like paper, and I miss fanfold printout. Plus. I liked taking the boxes of it to kindergarden and handing them over for the kids to write on. On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:33 AM Michael Parson wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022, John Cowan wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 12:39 PM Seth J. Morabito wrote: > > > > Besides, it's fun to scribble notes all over printouts and Xeroxes :^) > >> > > > > I mark up a printout with scribbles ("hourglasses and arrows and a > > documentation resource for each one, sayin' what they was about, to be used > > in evidence against us"[*]) and then re-transcribe them into the original > > electronic doc. I wish I had a better approach that wasn't so > > environmentally destructive, but I just don't notice errors as easily when > > they're just on the screen. > > Have you looked into e-ink tablets? The reMarkable series seems to be > pretty popular. I recently got a Boox Nova Air e-ink tablet, works > great as an e-reader, but it also has a pretty decent PDF editor built > in that lets you scribble all over PDF docs like they're paper. > > -- > Michael Parson > Pflugerville, TX