From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11890 invoked from network); 2 May 2022 23:52:13 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 May 2022 23:52:13 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 54D2B9D4A8; Tue, 3 May 2022 09:52:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF54F9D455; Tue, 3 May 2022 09:49:48 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="7TYd+hYf"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AC0439D455; Tue, 3 May 2022 09:49:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f43.google.com (mail-lf1-f43.google.com [209.85.167.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E32C9CE23 for ; Tue, 3 May 2022 09:49:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f43.google.com with SMTP id y32so27845011lfa.6 for ; Mon, 02 May 2022 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=j5Ad6yuy+2dYbErjiSb2hWEjvKS0R7saIaLVqtT9jLs=; b=7TYd+hYfONvreYmsM6Eklf0ZYvI+4GIPuw56mGTwMPhw12X5Lmcv79w7HdbR1+81Cz ITvfZPVzebLPMvza0UIduJOvFNtWPEt7vL7yD2kWvPmg1Zc6L/E7PqhEXmi2+U2Hda/0 rZJlsJtFYd6s8t8H345HyiVF9dNtDL+lO3WRmuvEhX30u6LZ9bJxrINQ9I3H6NEUreSi bx5KCY4gV6eujGAO2nl8jBUmebHv4/iOP5MvooBtSahIxw9qPBZiRf+7t/EQKdx5Y/xh R/tSatCoZwGjQ27lg5zwBkZetR/G1YIbE2mI4S7QNFfRq2LvkeuRMheyTWJzoSaqW/LL 62tg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=j5Ad6yuy+2dYbErjiSb2hWEjvKS0R7saIaLVqtT9jLs=; b=zIcZsUYiPrKg5tKGa9yDM1tVqumDXx3Ern6wFE0GqaZKUBWI11Ql+IckmxAR4qgJBG d4a/T+rxkYjaZs8EdwjWxA7r1yrWjis8wAJZcpQl/V89TeG57CbM12QUplSZN5UjiG/j dwdzLsS55xL0K6tRxXAPKoFBknzuIaQc6NQ771tobrOt362WtOxtw27RABgQNQINnmHK ZlJI7vNUepLGi+mSw68BGkm02hz9V0h6mJQyFOLuEwKcIsVjNKEmRp7JBn5k0cdiairr 8WlFJb5ydI3XQ+uKHTDQ5We5WvTsWk1CB4SljaS9Wj6u4VL5w0iP2z7fX70AKsBl/k5x XC2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530upG4Y7SdeeeCLw8RTje1TdwCmUbo9vQ/p2Q1yV4vLBUiSvTHO HbsD+FlyIjn+yljiNraxx1ouYrhI8mzkkhTzJ01saS1H9yc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyDASO8ZXxdyY34yNKIfzP211g1OI1v/kjKTUa0w1nrU47WBDLW+84F1h28Zeq9tqkr2o3SdYs3GJmqqp9aXBI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:281d:b0:472:5ecc:b359 with SMTP id cf29-20020a056512281d00b004725eccb359mr6866801lfb.122.1651535383974; Mon, 02 May 2022 16:49:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> <202205020242.2422g30m074857@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 09:49:32 +1000 Message-ID: To: TUHS main list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" The PC/RT was interesting in hardware design sense, as a "user" I found it well, arguably "over" engineered. Big bold IBM solid feel. Connectors which were 2x chunkier than they needed to be, but then you looked at other systems with bent pins and broken latches and the IBM stuff was grossly over-size, but just didn't break. The screen was good, but somehow small. We had one at the same time as Decstation 2100s and they were greyscale, but deliciously big monitors. The manual set was complete, and covered everything. You had to understand how to walk the IBM structured dewey-decimal model of thing-sub-thing-sub-sub-thing-sub-lettter but if you got to a fictitious FRU-BCP-FRZ-J page, it described everything you needed to know and had paste-overs or insert sheets about the -J variant. It was the heaviest PC chassis I ever had to move. Other people laughed at it, but I enjoyed using it for a year. I felt much the same about the ICL Perq: very very heavy, but Olivetti-good cool design. Just the right shade of Orange and Coffee for its day. getting MBONE working on it was a joy.