From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d7d8f7c2 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 09:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 179689B57F; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C1193E04; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:31 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="w9ZMdfzW"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3866093E04; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-f171.google.com (mail-il1-f171.google.com [209.85.166.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACB8693DBE for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:51:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-f171.google.com with SMTP id q15so2642786ils.8 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:51:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0eb8Z18pIiUrhv1HpkM3N6JwAHWw8MEJDkNlFhPzPTM=; b=w9ZMdfzWngTc5TGld9vkenXulPf32N1akdvjo4iqrFTNCOlNPos9TqEgdixJYqKJ7w GkBvg5azoRmS43g0u54mLfaz3wq4bXvJor5LhzN4vZfeWDM3R8QZVfqpQyicYSQv12ZO wNqAICPh0rOnFa4XXm/CAZ0z7oKAtKWwi57TqITpdMiUNhI/mzUkGMT3IFscjBR9vnTx rCl6x0J55GpZNfkIc/xxp+6CKCYfqeWGR5/GtlCwnWhInloAsBt4DrfDzsD7lY2TPoJ5 lntI9arPMnQcpCduNHf8dByqk81bWpQrW/8aD9q622xkb8FmBASNB2j4P0uKgYrSpTbF WRCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0eb8Z18pIiUrhv1HpkM3N6JwAHWw8MEJDkNlFhPzPTM=; b=FeJbCpUgf0HLk9XN1Q4VVLofeZ8aNY1V2EPPZ7di1SSBBxu5ATjxX9vVOeYrvg7x9c 7oXQgfUTR1p/1aCEb/d8DPhGeyWCj8gZdzdL6rV9zIBqxbdD8bLMHJ+cFs29cS9nVrtS B64kpbCeTemW3k/KdSnSfd5bwnSjCLo7A6BA+I17iuex0K3YGmogO9g26xmKQm4gU5ZN IFctYjdYcUE+lJCE4+OX0jM5tG4DdmZpLatQnYZUiRHPNz3G9FoGN6PlkxyK7HumWNK4 9a59uh57QbgTyQyYdy5MHeqsyoLEEctHx7lLGRGdO5fUaqhEUapUbP66tHyPLuYWGq3q 41lw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXr8rAiH2GCEjJfTJeL4hfXuJjCjmDR2/UTltRPMCSVGPC6ABBG 3nMO6KBD9WMZWio49pKZvf3blalcY4yeDGdogKeFhw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyKmeFIX8aiLgcGSH4xebDIRdsZgOWXWZOtSpnksSTupNSGJNOT5p11hh24536zXmkagpGZy55Q9Gtp1EmJAGA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:45ca:: with SMTP id z71mr9318717ilj.106.1574329888904; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 01:51:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201911191901.xAJJ1d76006989@skeeve.com> <20191121031423.GC23794@mcvoy.com> <20191121032832.GD23794@mcvoy.com> <20191121094102.19A37156E9F9@mail.bitblocks.com> In-Reply-To: <20191121094102.19A37156E9F9@mail.bitblocks.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:51:17 +0800 Message-ID: To: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Steve Bellovin recounts the history of USENET X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I shudder to think how naive, arrogant or both they are. But, thank you for your detective work. I exist, I am not a number is a glorious feeling. What this says, is that where our posts into the world crossed outside closed (national) namespaces in UUCP backed services, they did get archived as much as any other did. But I think my other strand remains true. The body of posts I and others made into uk.* is probably now lost forever. Ephemeral data preservation is chancey. A future digital archeologist will be looking at these bits, inferring stuff which in some sense is true (the US was the centre of much discussion in this space) and not true (the absence of data states about other places is not strongly indicative of their richness and intensity, because they were not preserved) -G On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 5:41 PM Bakul Shah wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:56:13 +0800 George Michaelson wrote: > > uk.* and eu.* seem to be unfindable. Stuff from before the great > > USENET re-org is mostly unfindable. cross posting to lists, only > > partially visible. I've tried to find my own rants, its like I was > > born into the world in 1996. What happened to 1982-onward? It just .. > > evaporated. > > Check out the archive,org link I provided earlier. I found a > couple of posts from you in net.lang.c some time in 1984.