From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31003 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2021 23:06:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Feb 2021 23:06:01 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 77F629C0A9; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:05:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739E19503A; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:05:35 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="tCSq/TXv"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 83A5D94F19; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:05:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f170.google.com (mail-lj1-f170.google.com [209.85.208.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BCBF94F19 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:05:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f170.google.com with SMTP id v6so482367ljh.9 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:05:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1gCduRiQrtyBtXhuvcGVI6TkN47sZl97SAg73wCTR8g=; b=tCSq/TXvu/5ZmF1CGf7bjWRhebB6ZrejZOY2ozBazwuwNe0kbXh6oD++TW3q6PVPMU SuATwVTBi/PllI8ODhD4Wcqqe4zHvCA6wuDsfBv7eXlJNO0cfOk6o4JBOMO6mESdWEpU 6fGQwC3GsnmPwm+R13kvnEYOpUKRj+FZK2+2LC9/bHJdpMbsL0JEUocws/li7xIHxPgC kMlM7tv5AO3JW6v6q8qEPVlyaWBms87sKNlxu03PXEILHe9dmdzU8LKsv+ughWn2CYim mSe8jLeg11KJbyhlRx9P0cpbyicMQZQQ7PvBiuKhDr8LIZFrC5yxiEyrCzuNe20wfAxh 9mEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1gCduRiQrtyBtXhuvcGVI6TkN47sZl97SAg73wCTR8g=; b=OnDhHfHxOSuLeTLpoPR0cx8jKAoaZ7NedRxLpyb2U3/NzZKLaO6x6aMze2rKwCeQO4 6CYe++7Q+5M+P3pQDGztkJdaDDJpZLRVC6liB0ZcCscbsKEyy3KRE7XVE9QH+MqzPMCe XlT+ZiuqlGjVj82f8hNolvPLjdamWpud7L4AUi5lNdVnzyB7YuQFrlW8BAeTNsXYhvcD bCaQeU/7rRHNDr9PlPF//72NtNfyaJY6xFgPnfQS8ipI0wMm2BC9QAyfa/mYNhgY2cwR fna8+9MhAom8jEEtDaTX4LsVBCXYQvI2G139B/YNb+WQzW2x9LWIlmFXpZKJ2M0EogKy IbZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532tFM+DtPwmR1GUPEnID1PNTvGAsXTBp3CO3I1hjEMLm2JIFsZH LsV+e7jT5g9YnLXkryIU29iaCB1hgq385YWJ29TpezXBKfc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzUibnCsG0Cf58l8ExacsW13HcvOSjN4+fvVWT0g1bXcc9OhSobZKeQgOcUQRLMpu6Bf8oLQOc4LnpzSpThPAk= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:91c8:: with SMTP id u8mr3349176ljg.112.1612998328845; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:05:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8b580c46-ecfb-9383-ed43-08108b3ee7bf@tllds.com> <20201130163753.GB18187@mcvoy.com> <202102102236.11AMann01820861@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202102102236.11AMann01820861@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:05:17 +1000 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] troff was not so widely usable (was: The UNIX Command Language (1976)) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I wonder if this was a university BSD/Bell licence vs "everyone else" thing. I know we had ubiquitous use of nroff, troff and ditroff, in succession at Leeds and York across 82-84 and onward. That was with a benson-varian wet process printer from roll paper, cut marks thrown in free. because I'd used Tops-10 Runoff at uni, nroff made sense. The guys who walked in other doors wound up tooled in TeX which I didn't {relax} get. On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:37 AM Jon Steinhart wrote: > > Greg A. Woods writes: > > > > Ditroff (or sqtroff) was also incredibly rare to non-existent for 99% of > > the Unix sites I worked at and visited; even some time after it became > > available. Even sites running native AT&T Unix, e.g. on 3B2s, and thus > > could easily obtain it, often didn't want the added expense of > > installing it. > > Maybe for you; I had it everywhere that I worked.