From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17799 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2021 05:16:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Jan 2021 05:16:06 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 01A959C0A3; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:16:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30569B720; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:15:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="EYdEyqq1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 75B7A9B720; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:15:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f44.google.com (mail-pj1-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3C9C9B715 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:15:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f44.google.com with SMTP id jx18so603307pjb.5 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:15:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ujfpGv2w/GqBoZSAIhBh1JJ7fAcyV+poTK1Rnkibucc=; b=EYdEyqq1EZZquG7mzGFNes7JTab29y6Q+Sc4Un/7+3MiqYhTVD6pUSlgMLgswHBnna SB1IjgyqH0YusQHv57BYLfkoO4jLnLd8wg3o8RRbZRx3GcyL4bHd8kHDgmnJ/GanAXgQ VH0WvSgPa98aLjaBCfbv8Y4mAb3BeEqhj/lUTdGOWL0+ZsZA4tTT/9wXXYUFhqOH+7OM YOcv7kvldIzYgxKKmb+QxoQESANyOfGPA6/Ov3LUtTwSEK8Kfa+JpW3EfewBlA7prkM8 gC8bfP5hTy6o+Y9irn3vep9tiqk+2oO8GojGuB5XakYiFpJu4Mi/NiMXsnw1WH2xuB/f Ff7w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ujfpGv2w/GqBoZSAIhBh1JJ7fAcyV+poTK1Rnkibucc=; b=TWBLENBycUSc5Fybw1wBHFWL8zeI1pEQ9bmcCokSBCrlEjq/zBOYaeVLxqAMIhrhPK KkjJcqMePAwwPjUZpRy6HvDY64mqdoUeaSm60vK7ZBc5kHVoRyOWlXDuN8PXH4Y3EM+c R+3iNcZ/j3/+F85Bv/rNeujkVfJTfveeVnj7SlKcm/7H7K2iSc2hUq8i33WxDzDqD+Au 69pemPdqq31UNc0oGiyieacW6EaK3ZMTOoALmVLTrYSN//9MGTXgbXC3i5mUTMF5YPZw dZEubkk1x/0kZC0eyYtW2xCZqmfGNWqI5xr83uRyxxyINU/lysCf3fKI8sDNdEzPILsQ uwFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532d4xCUltm6RbyhV4N0xMR78Kq+95VRvCmQjX5dWEJG7PoYMRkN ITbRE1lPu5Dc2kGGO3yQ6KZpTp3+WdnDvPwZlrvlJU9uXcQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxqY+vPrw+IT2l24Hax3mHkjDQzGbgMPvlA1a8TXNdrojU744vhHx/0WNhuYi1bWgNwHzn8gD2Aev5UB1lswck= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:ba15:b029:df:f346:eac6 with SMTP id j21-20020a170902ba15b02900dff346eac6mr9542794pls.44.1611724528859; Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:15:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210124183653.GD21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242045.10OKjDvA964774@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124211100.GI21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242114.10OLEYGk966708@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210124212525.GJ21030@mcvoy.com> <202101242333.10ONXjcI974038@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202101250021.10P0L3Z2976588@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <6557f782-ecb1-6476-1eda-e23f30f9bbea@bitsavers.org> <202101260138.10Q1ceo21049597@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202101270354.10R3s8Z01128207@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202101270354.10R3s8Z01128207@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:15:15 +1000 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" >From the side, I remember when X10R4 hit the Decstations we had at UCL, and how deeply confusing it was having "server" and "client" inverted for what we all thought we were doing, using the local workstation as a client to connect to a more distant (across the machineroom) server like a Pyramid or a bigger Vax. One of those "ok I see why you did that, but Maaaaan this is inverted to what I expected" moments. We'd been coding in SunView quite happily. SunView might have been proprietary, but we knew what we were doing. Kinda. NeWS, had this wonderful quality of being code, expressed inside other code. So, if the two code(s) had been syntactically the same, I suspect the confusion would have been even worserer. But, as it was you were reading C, and suddenly, wrapped in what I will morally call printf() you have "machine(stack) reverse polish notation here because reasons pop pop pop") sentences. It was .. confusing. It is not unlike being totally glued to N/Roff, introduced to T/Roff, then introduced to family (a) of macros, then learn to cope with family (b), and then have EQN and TBL thrown at you.. meantime.. somebody else passes you {relax} a {relax} TeX book {relax} I couldn't {relax} -G