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X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" ... and then somebody GNUified it. I seem to recall three huge flamewars in UUCP days: RFS vs NFS, STREAMS (the original) vs sockets, and getopt --no -noo --nooo=please --dont-make-me=do-that On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > Clem Cole wrote: > >> BY the time dmr adds stdio, it was >> still early enough in the life to displace the randomness for something as >> important as I/O, whereas lack of use of something.like getopt would not >> become clearly deficient until after widespread success. > > I think "widespread access" is more like it for getopt. Getopt dates > to 1980; it was in System III (I just checked). That's only about two years > after V7 which was circa 1978. > > Here are the dates: > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 1073 Apr 11 1980 usr/src/lib/libc/pdp11/gen/getopt.c > -rw-rw-r-- 1 arnold arnold 2273 May 16 1980 usr/src/man/man3/getopt.3c > > But the world outside the Bell System didn't have System III. Getopt > didn't become "popular" until System V or so, and became much easier to > adopt once Henry Spencer published his public domain rewrite of the code > and man page. > > Just a nit, (:-) > > Arnold