From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 28965 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2020 03:08:38 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 20 Apr 2020 03:08:38 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 511049C8C2; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:08:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC03B9C76B; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:08:20 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="t4x5vGJR"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 21E1F9C76B; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:08:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com (mail-io1-f52.google.com [209.85.166.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92EF89B934 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:08:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id w4so2155345ioc.6 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=2pqUoBkavVUNdBzrydCXTvvQBVRzMvaXlTdWCok0XIw=; b=t4x5vGJRWCTdfQs57O4Y69PagoTe1/TSFte/VTEcQw6n7k4rf6Cdc6tilL74gQEVu7 Yi7wiUCUP8eRZ5JjzaSmR2PsC/zZHheUi5F9aEC8Njy/hiknyCq7f1eqSKd1O7vcBxED LzLR+Xt0iX0hbKmShwwiwfgcVGXYOJM+936SW/Dvs035bmTEzuqWqtovMUI3UrxKb3xp ANXILrC/eJC0dz/Q9T/89zKZ0TcEdr8c/WyTcBXLWxteiqH5LvX8B7yulAWNOyK3Z86n Olm3c3EUjGCb1ATMfglPDW4afZZvto2JWgblXux2FfoaW7mC/WpsJ1VaS9n+wD6/9ZmK Ce8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=2pqUoBkavVUNdBzrydCXTvvQBVRzMvaXlTdWCok0XIw=; b=njmOUwQVwPosuoe0u/5/Asj+u1oCBKf9mxwTPd8I4HiARztd5TbT9wv2hYMvBKsWkX ZiWf2nP+3cOQe619zJwj/FUIyp0Xx3TmB59cBb/xOHGn+ToQDAZr7ZFJI0klgcqX88XS wJfzjGvftdS44rtAbKGnouz+9z1S+fPy6Z8/MH22IvcPTEYeKkdUCmdnUV3aj+3pmyap y1xcf1/6628E8CtMsjv6froiYRkmXrk3cA2X58J0b6OPkF9/Ge09qjuexTyTWKRYIB1t cZaMrnFuCrRsA9APhrC+hqOIOB2OpaV0WJHYfJnWcwXaOt4RjpryDt5vP4MBLu0k/t+3 ogSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaESNbe5Ob62XymkUs4Nw07Ju78aMpObcDDC+7u2ILBvlgldfY4 j9+SYTCYtsZHMjCdA/zuiaWXOEGpqYfNRHMkZ6OkqiQ9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJ+nGjIIz08+9RWeH/BbNarr1FCeFL3w+MPGfVCmPq8n/yZLSfnhN3+28UOZfAR2sGmMAU3LMuLPVf+PDeUDR8= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9604:: with SMTP id w4mr10554584iol.105.1587352097770; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200419143534.D96C94422F@lignose.oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 13:08:06 +1000 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Plan 9 from outer space ? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, but "ceci, n'est pas un pipe" is also true: just because you called it a cigar, doesn't mean it can't be a fish. The version I heard once, was "hitch the wagon to the engine and see what entrains" where every one of hitch, wagon, engine, entrain does not refer in any way to railways, or even "wagons" if its shakespeare. It is not very useful to try and have a conversation about anything EXCEPT the mutability of words, if you don't actually agree what the words mean in context. I think this may be why Haskell draws a distinction between things of type Integer and the specific intent behind "int" and I could be drawn to say the whole 8/16/32/64/128 problem inherent in (unsigned (long) ) int is kind-of more of a problem than not. If we'd selected IPv6 as 64 bit quantities then because at the time the 32/64 division of intent was mostly ok, we'd be good. We went to 128: GCC (sorry) doesn't handle unsigned 128 bit quantities well. A problem ensues. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:50 PM Rob Pike wrote: > > A name that refers to something does not imply some form of metempsychosis. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. > > -rob >