From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2022 03:34:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Jan 2022 03:34:45 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 004379D039; Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:34:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DDC9CF51; Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:34:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="bBuwaZ9V"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C4F679CF51; Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:34:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f180.google.com (mail-lj1-f180.google.com [209.85.208.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5E9C9CF06 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:34:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f180.google.com with SMTP id k27so47168625ljc.4 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 19:34:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=p7/yMSSNJywMmPJnYdW3Eb4InnShzXeVzcFJOv2QbwA=; b=bBuwaZ9VARxxcY/84CTNr5Vn0H7RajEqAz1o9Rd8/NOmBAJ9OB4acJwf2p+A8vPr1x wpzXanMjWmsRqcxiQ+L2Kl4pJRteyoi78brl2DsFc2neDSwUQeSTxrSN+6U7x3CGPScU XO1x5VDe+nuCAf+2EoipDi6b1oCn6h3mZCJbVD2l7AFWEGZ6ayta5HwJIfakXyWQkmlg 893+MwLzr09mebJb3yKr/0EwCUaYdXfCYlq82EU3MGyQ/HlriiDcZsfX9g0yyt9JKKRr i7Zo+G8/AV2NTOe0qCr3NVNkQYFdoJqP3eWWkYBqVfsF5/mtno5v2TdhcDxMOYFB8FEJ HHTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=p7/yMSSNJywMmPJnYdW3Eb4InnShzXeVzcFJOv2QbwA=; b=jiZVhyOPnKuVBvip4zmSJ5icfwKr90YoeG18DzOqp9P/fuKarPaEH5w4MRSOs+wctU 1a91/Bo/6PU3AwLJqGC93hlSMWX7ddd8X0PLpxpooVavvwP0O+KcUY3FP5DfvpTae1oC VboZ3jQ3WMVq2bjlmgBmcBvuar2gKXWGTUdC1eNuTVQBPNjNl2/9Wqf8XHez5HynK0TM jiMmh29YmemBpGm5ZCd0+YsaiDETcS5Zb1zEx84rmaPZs9PSxWJpYIXpY4xwWojk0qjN 9so96fwhiAvbINIwQAzNSpsTH/6EfYrOhC3JQ8XVg+OZTzn8SC3w7jZOiYX6k8BgULUq 3TKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530DlstPIQ1wanZWC+cNNnGpykQSIsn95Iu+zlfBLfIC3QQEVR3j HdvxIQ5kWu+WI4iqv7J+UuVM1y7pY/KMSIx104pVwdBbEng= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwlyiQN+T+G8IUmjOz1iJRlFEO2uBdUFCOcdXvcUm4oUNbyGasThOFgMnhcXWIakhaK5U6ch7b9K1Rr4LZx8nc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:94:: with SMTP id 20mr31643071ljq.220.1641008064021; Fri, 31 Dec 2021 19:34:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202201010111.2011BK62034004@ultimate.com> <202201010117.2011HJV5007172@elf.torek.net> In-Reply-To: <202201010117.2011HJV5007172@elf.torek.net> From: George Michaelson Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 13:34:12 +1000 Message-ID: To: Chris Torek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bad7a305d47cf6f9" Subject: Re: [TUHS] roff(7) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000bad7a305d47cf6f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It's probable that I'm influenced by being an autodidact for the roff family and suffered "You're doing it wrong" disease from literate TeX users. Roff may be that kind of arcane evil we probably should eschew but it's morally closer to the typesetting machine. You tell it to select a reel of monotype font, move exactly (for this pointsize) some number of units and expose the mask to light at that point. It's a machine. TeX targeted a theoretically pure model of the world, and grudgingly admits the practicality of having to approximate the perfect line by some bezier curve, but why requires a phd in theoretical maths and there's a queue of art historians out the door who are holding golden proportions curves shouting "you're doing it wrong". TeX is a machine too but it's bytecode, not machinecode. I think I hurled "when are you implementing OSI" abuse at your talks in AUUG meetings Chris, if you'd replied "never" it would have been wiser than your more temperate "later" response as I recall it. --000000000000bad7a305d47cf6f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's probable that I'm influenced by being an aut= odidact for the roff family and suffered "You're doing it wrong&qu= ot; disease from literate TeX users.=C2=A0

Roff=C2=A0 may be that kind of arcane evil we probably should = eschew but it's morally closer to the typesetting machine. You tell it = to select a reel of monotype font, move exactly (for this pointsize) some n= umber of units and expose the mask to light at that point. It's a machi= ne.

TeX targeted a theor= etically pure model of the world, and grudgingly admits the practicality of= having to approximate the perfect line by some bezier curve, but why requi= res a phd in theoretical maths and there's a queue of art historians ou= t the door who are holding golden proportions curves shouting "you'= ;re doing it wrong".

TeX is a machine too but it's bytecode, not machinecode.

I think I hurled "when are you = implementing OSI" abuse at your talks in AUUG meetings Chris, if you&#= 39;d replied "never" it would have been wiser than your more temp= erate "later" response as I recall it.
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