From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22011 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2021 02:06:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Nov 2021 02:06:22 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 788379C793; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:06:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1467293D42; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:04:00 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="IFTlGxnR"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3E5EC93D42; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:03:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f51.google.com (mail-lf1-f51.google.com [209.85.167.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAC0C93D1B for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:03:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f51.google.com with SMTP id c32so12213133lfv.4 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:03:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eYOtAnH9ZC9Aio5qcILYSe7hEuQ2SRazILL9okGsBYM=; b=IFTlGxnRqMQef5D6o2Rm9ekhI4NHhrn04wDoTXGQPRFcNLdADnkS+ZpaS6GPon4hdi k/rw14Ep32lzOv4ptHAeeGfTeXKEjIm4L6nRsJcxnihmgX+snnIPuyQh+Zw1kMoCTJ0h A57pOgRvu0qNc4KxONlDXMwl2VSYcsjoi6s7XiAx4Ar4Ak+8DQ319pzFxVjyWi2YQ1Yl 91mLoSY6l7+eYeLYyW+h6G4qplNFdXwIHVDfKLiKrph0kr7cAGp1J1UdLa6YOvlCLBZg 2YrOJiz6wzs/apY6e2FZMwh7dV2LrZqUxPnJMfSzulySyYrZkvB70gmvT/jIki/a3PVn PifQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eYOtAnH9ZC9Aio5qcILYSe7hEuQ2SRazILL9okGsBYM=; b=U48s/lPQ/iTVohrr31qes8S3eYwFnZVbjhxxVg5uYpTGCuoqsJMFHdr3OcPtNl2jOm l8w8QjP56Ea4WUS0OZh26yVvk/L3/XjNxgfMVM0z6PMZH50X0iijP1V5WFwhmavUYa/w n2UFOqzRiC6V34NT9gsvKDWggivesZ74SyWw35bC+WxtgSzbVCs29unj4ROoHYN5i1r4 YpY5PtNY+I3m38EjWf0X+Mlk3CBHENm4Tnauv5aJCGK03F5L2h241gBRZpXi5kunDERk v4FqeyAcoakUUao56cNYJNl0uapJoAkbh3Xn57j4M7Vi7Omn0UTS8a9Ri65Ix2vWBrYH Jn/g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533iG1m+vFtNkWa0CdcmWnHLU9QH2tNuia/708AY60hVo5Dlc5Q7 E0OJ24Kv2YPXLBJw+4bhG2muFhCQh5jLFDNz04EPxQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyIz3NVKpAx5PmayiESbjkedHmyR/3YCXaBU9VFEkzOWk04Q0A9Jz+t+MgM/IpVtLJXR6WF30YH9L0umDl8edE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:36c9:: with SMTP id e9mr20271670lfs.87.1637805836243; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:03:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <94b9315e-86f3-a294-9770-e1768fd1380c@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:03:43 +1000 Message-ID: To: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] PL/I stuff - was: Book Recommendation X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I have a relative who is an archivist, the sister-discipline to librarians (Mike Lesk was at heart I think, in the library most the time time. I say this, because I always think about Mike when the topic of data and libraries comes up. He was nice to me at UCL and I have a soft spot for anyone who was nice to me.) Anyway, She tells me that the primary role of archivists is to help people throw things away. As a (sometime) scientist in (mostly) data, I know I have serial hoarding disease. But I also know that NASA and other agencies only found some things, by going back into the stacks to re-read old tapes, without the "noise reduction filter" which had taken signal out. So I feel your pain, loosing the tapes will have hurt. But I also know along the path in time, Somebody had a role to play, curating the data into the modern era. You're not alone, the BBC had this problem in spades, re-using Umatic tape to save money. Ephemeral content which turns out to be in some cases the probably only copy of what is data to us now, but was junk to them then. -G