From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E6C251E3 for ; Tue, 27 May 2025 05:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DFE4423C; Tue, 27 May 2025 13:08:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-x33.google.com (mail-oa1-x33.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::33]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 857EB44229 for ; Tue, 27 May 2025 13:08:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-x33.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2d060c62b61so2342260fac.0 for ; Mon, 26 May 2025 20:08:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1748315293; x=1748920093; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=A5ZVlJpOgkghFMBnps/Nb1hkZyX8vvSz7ulPRZzraNI=; b=YWWZd8pbfWMC2+i0OlYA7lMECyJ9nVMrYVrRBVdkxOAvpoBa/Sn3YkgC2bj/KX1cC/ sknY+dsrgI3/CJVNEsToeOoVU6x1+2h7E8LNbuk1FbQfDVLe32tS9AiEUiSF6hQpxCl+ OlnwYR8IZggGYnuxDq1mdiNKOxvDVmpTn+A7/esimP8RvhlgY3L1/Kf/QemP/3nO7AGX F47EJp42ts+ujVqS9CMbseAabOvNo1gKIM2PLD4XmedTiToxXMPEfH05H/sqnyD+RG4g K2j9ZOVa2tJatlUDKmslorpE7dJHfMwo4e6CAMB5QWisnWl6X04c5OFBHetDy6zyZMkj lTag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1748315293; x=1748920093; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=A5ZVlJpOgkghFMBnps/Nb1hkZyX8vvSz7ulPRZzraNI=; b=W8C10hN/4J4xHkvK6wqzHegLB3G0gLBJbYaA7HeqVQiT248/EaN5QbGtdE5+iyHkEF CEJWYyC8lke66Ta5x48LzWDN1NFk3Eg20sa7aMdiBO4LxE1QdvWmxmWSgh3pQWEcOq5w 9ZnxgoHHFJt68xDlt0R1kDVFRMsjh4iTJF3i/LOS/6kvjR+I1jJ4gwgTw2dBJCLl/Fo4 pA0xMmOT5DsqrsX7X3VxvvlcDz35EZUJEdDwyvPhZ6dgsEC0gTjBbvcx5UKT7QGINEud F95bvsFKviQlYuqoYwLJTxTe5zrCrCNuUEQ0e004pX1iahMEhbeyyPY/zcaDAUxLqvbx kzHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyJUVP5je2gt1NOip4rllc6gxnErDORASm4WosnfkbecF3Sn80x w6RTBApH40FJh0Uy7laXuf9xqPRBDp7Vtr+YFqL/u/v4dYG0VmVnTc01VINnCKEJcukOj3jCcOo 5NXt6OLLolRUL4tiAa4G6xhcJxIcj8lwzsEaUcFnBEw== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncs/7Krjx91lcQAtLII9kE8UxD+HEfE8gED4KTy5o3a396blufNDpEMvbNgAnhp 0vdykaolgoaW9a6piy3KomN+3Irw+OicMK4/h41dmGjbl2zyFv1V+29Gra+/BiP4gcEyuy3FR87 Whuovv8eaXjPMuEZBb0/0GXHqpoFSYw+zmWmETEghfMmrl5jw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE4JtqFBJIiLm4ORxZce8C05wT8ffs/Zt6XgF1EzjYQAOx4ORqsd7zPnPV4/jsJ3P1mWevpHpofb3kZIbVQFkg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:530f:b0:2d4:ea06:b11 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2e861d62ae3mr5503973fac.7.1748315293551; Mon, 26 May 2025 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <769a9c94-055d-4bdd-a921-3e154c3b492f@infinitecactus.com> <87frgqequk.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87frgqequk.fsf@gmail.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 27 May 2025 13:08:02 +1000 X-Gm-Features: AX0GCFsAavmEzQNLvMQY4XQus2ZjMKnoRe4GGJWPC9_kxtvg2vlBHI4-i4A7Tf4 Message-ID: To: Alexis Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000075e3706361560d9" Message-ID-Hash: JA7DRW64EIIJTCHA5I7XFRDMVW5BHC2C X-Message-ID-Hash: JA7DRW64EIIJTCHA5I7XFRDMVW5BHC2C X-MailFrom: ggm@algebras.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: On the unreliability of LLM-based search results List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000075e3706361560d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > We're way off topic. Warren should send a kill. That said: please don't repeat the "hallucinate" label. It's self -aggrandisement. Its deliberate, to foster belief "it's like thinking" It's not a hallucination, it's bad model data and bad constraint programming. They're not thinking, or dreaming, or demanding not to be turned off, or threatening or bullying: They're not Markov chains either but they're a damn sight closer to a machine than a mind. G --000000000000075e3706361560d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We're wa= y off topic. Warren should send a kill.

That said:= please don't repeat the "hallucinate" label. It's self -= aggrandisement. Its deliberate, to foster belief "it's like thinki= ng"

It's not a hallucination, it's ba= d model data and bad constraint programming. They're not thinking, or d= reaming, or demanding not to be turned off, or threatening or bullying: The= y're not Markov chains either but they're a damn sight closer to a = machine than a mind.


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