From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ac0fb7e1 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7B8919BFDD; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:30:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B399BF71; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:29:58 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="YaGGkRNT"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E94249BF71; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:29:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f47.google.com (mail-io1-f47.google.com [209.85.166.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 530609BDBB for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:29:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f47.google.com with SMTP id d25so769545iob.6 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zn1UXh8kHtCWfF1LWV8f/oOLE2FDtpmZZkZH1sb/GE8=; b=YaGGkRNTEkRkqDrZ9q9uTNazFmfXKN0MTD0oGFDb1XX8RI3cNU+dSz09xgh4txVy10 a5Fv8l1/+MnJ1wYH9XXONRHaWQl4zwJHozkIGlqsTosXEwaDEb63Hr9Epj2GqP/VsbL3 PA2buQLusXEANwAqbjBPKgZDqs8vkVnBX6DaHAZihFNiehQKNbU20x8h7xc8pIFOeLZU F493RnRQ678YnHZmEijdIwZ8wsazJJx2rmYWdY5EuMGCbzaHqJMlkkSoNdT2kj0yRmj5 mEm26kg1zKr/Wn6Nfy+FcfYhUUZrtYJY68uHKUKEDh5/1biVaPoW6m9aNzjMUEIdiWgB UPuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zn1UXh8kHtCWfF1LWV8f/oOLE2FDtpmZZkZH1sb/GE8=; b=dQoJEQ+SGS9M72z98sSetFSj4QJvCvVqJ7I9F5YaP+WCBBVlF9+DX6Ad2sNOoPCEk7 WKCUYSliC5Hwoqf8ghNCvJr8uk8gIsRy+TdXOmimVbcIYx6YpAEKCvk9FhuCuT+dihyo vlBhfz+JOEjbYUlgjg7BI7DAr7BNqSmYpks0hqnmV5q+GksBFwAT0G4dZWPeVeIeJML2 DC8C/p3XftwYDzo0NFRYi9/Q018Tj6eKgNpP6orEenRaAYtRUj9iQx5/PiK6/AXUeQLt Iz51AvkjqLBU0nOB9mRmWn+ofhiFfwCRyE398pikef2pqUaGMr+6lSk7eLcvRPb8d5+S MOGA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVDUGGFyXor/Q2i2MK/gilIC23BSn07AojzxOTUoCzqsCQ/WBfw 6HoXPHaiXlCY0fNIDUz1ljKVTPDikK+h95uo7wnZ0w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzXsDXLJ4QyDk3C1lBK4y22o6q2x341UNfJlYv71+oXqd+tWF37zEAkjDQkM1QMHO5bsu7mBMuVXIjcOCfbBrY= X-Received: by 2002:a02:b4a:: with SMTP id 71mr7280678jad.25.1567038595642; Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:29:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190828172451.GX13570@mcvoy.com> <20190828181727.GA82704@wopr> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:29:44 +1000 Message-ID: To: SPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] ISO, OSI, and DECnet (was Re: If not Linux, then what?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" SPDY and QUIC re-capitulate some ideas of the session layer. It is ironic how many repudiated aspects of the OSI model are re-surfacing inside IP centric networking. -G On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:29 AM SPC wrote: > > It's a bit funny (at least for me) because I was talking about DECNET as = OSI standard and TCP/IP and OSI differences some days ago to the group of s= tudents of a course on network operation that I am teaching. > > On the other hand I don't that book about networking. I'd like to get one= copy bit I live in Spain. Shipment is not a problem but perhaps to deal wi= th shipping procedures abroad is not what you have in mind :-) > > Cordiales saludos / Best Regards / Salutations / Freundliche Gr=C3=BC=C3= =9Fe > ----- > Sergio Pedraja > > Senior Technician in Computer Science, Systems Administration, and Inform= ation Security. MBA. Qualified occupational trainer. > > El mi=C3=A9., 28 ago. 2019 20:24, Kurt H Maier escribi= =C3=B3: >> >> On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 10:24:51AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: >> > >> > The great Mike Padlipski said "do you want protocols that look nice or >> > protocols that work nice?" in his fantastic book Elements of Networkin= g >> > Style [*]. >> > >> >> This book taught me as much about navigating bureaucracy and the warning >> signs of impending death-by-committee as it did about networking. I >> keep a copy on my shelf at the office and annoy my staff with it >> regularly. It's also a wonderful time capsule that provides a lot of >> context about how we got where we are. >> >> khm