From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c6891ec8 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 05:13:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9F77F9BCCD; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:13:15 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61919BC9D; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:12:58 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="VUuqsGbU"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 794109BC99; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:12:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f43.google.com (mail-io1-f43.google.com [209.85.166.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0E169BC98 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:12:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f43.google.com with SMTP id b19so10882721iob.4 for ; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kUqDXu6G/A59ycxhdOwHf/D3ZTwXIQs4Wwoi249zyYc=; b=VUuqsGbULX/IRayOLdcoGkSiaa1/SnB8F5Qn+n8Tmqj7cD3ZrmlVrRPHYIlgOjBLs/ AA8GLfXOCaAXOGgDjmzw32+0IhKgq7f81NR3O9pSKAEm+jmVlmYQDWRBVEm/XwYxrHTl 6B2HgQtUwGPnmJiZ3Re085xFqgYsyM37DnPu7C2fhfi3MzoXFFD9KHGXV6UpGoGzNhEn wg+vt21f6ooMmEynrac2+KwAMMHtV/QIiEuENP1ajtH4lpDSojnurmqwdum47YD22mgd XHAJdRsTZ/pS9FUG42Avzcy1NWZFRzbFvse+/rE7ITHE8Oc7hNzaESPGbgV7mypVhTyY T1MA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kUqDXu6G/A59ycxhdOwHf/D3ZTwXIQs4Wwoi249zyYc=; b=IeJJfwt/OnVDAv2tBgNb7LQMVggDmZXBW/GSoGsvAvSktYcaUBNlMur5lw+TWzX0Ur NQscdJW0NlFostm+8uFI0yIj+zt2U75wdJxHEKP8qoi5E03qZ2qdcEfu+2I296SNHZrw +0iIl2o/FbwowEzzB3DG8U+ZTWp0yBgYWGRjGznTZWHgg0JdBkrz1annM8q0n/EuaJIo LADDmxdj8n+lxyCdOOPOuPHyt3+63scT1V7o2ohuRt66OUJkizU8pnvac6cN/aVWiDWW W4akipsX8Q3Aew37tFkxhZwYf2zMY5a5YHqXYplUL1qGBgAYrs/lh/aeQfFoOa7reYUk kT+g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsjmYVddX4Tk6fCh9DNc8AHBkWaxZUrtNWPzXsxpAwdkxHKLk8 OLTrn/U6c8/orp8T2wmw0Hl8EhKE4snjQ/WBBKhQtLw8YSY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx5C7U3KU37RRCpdGOtHGeF3LeVqeXhkCFCr9U+OdHtXBZP8vci66tBJGuGiHn+kFJM6ifjpLzzN97ENvc7/rQ= X-Received: by 2002:a92:9a94:: with SMTP id c20mr13466779ill.65.1570165974262; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191004042034.GS13997@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20191004042034.GS13997@mcvoy.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 15:12:43 +1000 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] eqn X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I'm going to give a contrarian response. You may be wrong, and he maybe should do LaTex. Why? because it's what his peer group, and professors, and other people like markers and tutorial assisters will expect, and he can use things like OverLeaf very probably on the Uni tab, which has shared edit, all kinds of useful templates, and help communities. You don't want to tie him to your apron strings, for help: He needs to learn how to go out into the world and hassle other people for help too! My son, who is in the same kind-of cohort but perhaps 6years ahead, wrote his thesis in OverLeaf and did very well in it. The markup is XArchiV and journal friendly: His chances of getting through peer review barriers which obsess with form, and not function (sad) is better. Sometimes, being the stand-out is not good. I was the only visible Athiest in school and when I found a copy of the scots prayer book, it was different page numbers and I couldn't find the hymn before they'd finished singing it. I guess the example I am giving doesn't help my own story because I am an essentially HAPPY athiest, but still: you don't always want to be running against the stream. If the maths is good, he's born to fly solo, and is heading into place of excellence, none of this will matter. If he is looking to relate to his community, it may. On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 2:21 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > > So my kid is using LaTex and I'd like to show him what troff can do. > For the record, back when he was born, 20 years ago, I was program > chair for Linux Expo (which sounds like a big deal but all it meant > was I had the job of formatting the proceedings). LaTex was a big > deal but I pushed people towards troff and the few people that took > the push came back and said "holy crap is this easy". > > My kid is a math guy, does anyone have some eqn input and output > that they can share? > > Thanks, > > --lm