From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 253e2921 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 972489BFDC; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:33:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51B594794; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:33:42 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="Phf18Vqr"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9B4B694794; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:33:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (mail-io1-f53.google.com [209.85.166.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38B9E9478F for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:33:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id d17so2766810ios.13 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:33:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bhZ/B+EQiFIAjXYtfEC7xzF2nxvYqPZBMUuA6QTgdxk=; b=Phf18VqreVH0BPt1R9ctX+HihrQyyls/KsUN+uw/PbejkKa9KZghrxRtlmX3T2+MvL 67rpMC9FToh4CQ27Uz9Z6k2qZW67mqVgLr/tFPZVKI15WKNY5TfYmxbEBAHhRgvUS2gh xWQdBGtfcADBPdEja1yBwuJj4QocyiT7dcoQOS1tGminmwPsC+9kDStlwL0mUtGdBH4m nf9Yh0Jt3uWO7B0MUpjqaWIWR5awjtaG4VbF78PI/h7Se1zEhs00j+9hahVXl3Yw7ylW LOgFe76jl2lPNSng63gsfhBQH7DT8o0NjgA7I9n1+q6A0iB2icsi2ghaJz4wp7WBhlzG /kxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bhZ/B+EQiFIAjXYtfEC7xzF2nxvYqPZBMUuA6QTgdxk=; b=f1YppvOett+N0u1ygUBp0Et3JuJOR6x+b2xGb8EIgb6fgqnsl8A3Nr+nR7YTCyotZf ra24DdcQLSDFkQgv5OJgnbqRMqVji84mFF9vcMJ9k8sqnC3nye2tCZbT1kzGW8p3sRs5 EnV790ZTFWzsoXSTvqPOrwWqq3cBwmPoaYNV2/ksb9bnPAR67mgL93FsVWihnshFIk2v XEEyApjvuN5cT22ZyXSrrjk2JssG/o8B6YVxKmt6tkewUgyb7K2vgokxfzTboIIFmNX1 vJGYV5Jh+P2/lOS0FHkc63xeg9EZZiTGQly/SbKN8yLWhRk8BsGk9//0oVeZe6PPQSjx /rpw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUdVbyPCW2nezGXQ3rszs964fd+HQ1qCtif2S0MkdSVKF0GcYaN A8ty45HUO/T86Y4K6EJOAbpwI6/CUIOma91M4VI7MhaMMPA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw7hCcYOQCK0d18hQqcAvXQ0xYlmt1/aJ+GTTLugFWM4wGrYBaTZvW+Hg4WSS+V9Ozw0TEsqy2fybIIphbpdSo= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5907:: with SMTP id n7mr165312iob.145.1568673220745; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 15:33:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190915232524.9A5491570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> <7F62BF6B-8FEA-4C43-9E35-05BDE9BF04EA@ccc.com> <20190916023738.F34E81570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> <20190916202153.wbpzx3jn3a7rs6kb@localhost.localdomain> <201909162047.x8GKlSbX001635@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <201909162047.x8GKlSbX001635@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:33:29 +1000 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] INed/Rand Editor/Ned [was Re: My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 6:47 AM Jon Steinhart wrote: > > Since we like debating the merits of old technology, somebody can kick off > a termcap versus terminfo discussion :-) > Felt like of-its-time NIH. Since the codes to drive an ADM5 were the same in either source, and since the intent was the same, it was just a giant *why* for me. I didn't get why binary file either. If the cost of reading the termcap DB was a significant hit on your program, I think you just proved you were a robot and would be defeated by a captcha. Having to compile things is a drag. It was probably a side effect of the sequence of universities and institutions I worked at (York, Leeds, York, UCL, CSIRO, UQ) that they were almost exclusively v7->32V->BSD->SunOS shops and so the emergence of SYSV was basically occluded to me, and so SYSV-isms (with the exception of RFS and the pre-gnu getopt() which leaked into UUCP newsgroups I read somehow). Terminfo just didn't feel very *relevant*