From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29197 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2020 00:45:37 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Nov 2020 00:45:37 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D60409B969; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:45:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B969B92D; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:44:53 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="PtpXn+bk"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9BCB99B92D; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:44:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com (mail-pf1-f170.google.com [209.85.210.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31C0E9B921 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:44:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id t8so2759245pfg.8 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:44:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=YeDavYNPQuyQ05iV53hfQrYOphWsiH9IiUhl65lJjvQ=; b=PtpXn+bkYs58WdlcNMdc/YcgNumkUjvDF6me4KUkZqg6bOcYSid260FAhvfs9SG0sL qvmm/n3YXWobMSnQptTYR1aoIaZnlHrhRS0tjgr8yPK7E/NATMqkSOQ12cQHiz4GSS6W XtiXE6l8ItU73FisWil9LA9StVsnxZVF3h+WqNdhgcBUufY+r9MDwhQsNUVb9AjeBSD2 EMJiyDN2UTFg1msxO5wOSmS06oVYsIRp4/P4JiVd9QpZaU44wIZlcjMpqKnLtKAlS9MH wt/NUdPAJjO4idJCeOA+mP0MwteNafwH/a3sgQi/nkIZgzqoBvQdML3zvd8GAmVEV2UT 0xYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YeDavYNPQuyQ05iV53hfQrYOphWsiH9IiUhl65lJjvQ=; b=exZ50zuVWBePhBW9Xqaq8tJ8u4X/F3Bcw/+9dLIfIHGL82pE9ltRHOrEqy9QHega5o enJHkz6HCNpok6oteth9FVzZ4pXAkwNcpWMW+RyW+s+bdAzCXfBkQWhBujQ6iZd4ZKMd NTNg3nXcjyRK8h1P2RMSJgtaEO9UPgrgIN6+/l/ZmlRdwUETXNHOLRHnVgnfwnY/I8cm ETK/vAJo46ozud68T7ZnUVewjnkZUAmhQVYImAKjBL7w0+37ADtZTUicrad70+HAZUo3 G6fGH0qiuxYZdepJ9Wcer2axl3vlWwTmie079KEqWWLhmsved+PgbqQszAG0hS5YVhw5 mYTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531SUQKD7TetkG9BwhE2d7atBvTpcb87VXsDWVG5FRUVTnLrsIXd 8WxdreZWL7zK4dVAqNhuwMHg5XK8xw8m8zEAT44LWMrmpZo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwPN6SXY5GFDPfvzpQZ2FnBrBe0jx6aOqrj7i+5LOyJKQ1ZWleKgSkKf7pVxg6AVOVvwwYMM+seOoW2CKLkH7w= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3891:: with SMTP id mu17mr1654976pjb.140.1605746685893; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:44:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:44:34 +1000 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Where did the "~" come from X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" A related but different "thing" is when the cd activity became a pushdown stack of 2 (is it more? I never bothered checking) somebody realised going "there and back again" was innately useful. (I will never forget working on systems which had cd-moral-equivalent and no cd-moral-equivalent but having cd-moral-equivalent $HOME making all directory traversals downward, or back to your personal root) sorry for thread hijack. -G On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:42 AM Dave Horsfall wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2020, Clem Cole wrote: > > > In our exchange, someone observed suggested that Joy might have picked > > it up because the HOME key was part of the tilde key on the ADM3A, which > > were popular at UCB [i.e. the reason hjkl are the movement keys on vi is > > the were embossed on the top of those keys on the ADM3A]. It also was > > noted that the ASR-33 lacks a ~ key on its keyboard. But Lesk > > definitely needed something to represent a remote user's home directory > > because each system was different, so he was forced to use something. > > The ADM-3A was one of the best terminals ever made. > > > It was also noted that there was plenty of cross-pollination going on as > > students and researchers moved from site to site, so it could have been BTL > > to UCB, vice-versa, or some other path altogether. > > > > So two questions for this august body are: > > 1. Where did the ~ as $HOME convention come to UNIX? > > Gawd... I think I saw it in PWB, but I'm likely wrong. > > > 2. Did UNIX create the idiom, or was there an earlier system such as CTSS, > > TENEX, ITS, MTS, TSS, or the like supported it? > > No idea. but given that Unix inherited a lot of stuff.... > > -- Dave