From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 21966892 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 03:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7BC179B545; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F2D93E04; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="Yw1ANcqj"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E607893E04; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (mail-io1-f44.google.com [209.85.166.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F17E793DBE for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id z193so1738513iof.1 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LXqwjsiMqIzmeDoW02SzbvWEaUxU/suscg9OKMS9lt8=; b=Yw1ANcqjyrle3lV3SHoUkH6Ks2LyyQcblnaSHOa1S4izt9csNp7c7HN5oJ5smmJ3FY vxH16uXhen5SSJee9qmNbkOne397MRv5pxRX+xnSRPaqYe5cI/qtO17YJw+HHl2MzaiB KB7NLR6Sg+deyVL40naP8VxjbtrLuNt93ZISrNW0Za0QmlZeQaeeXHVWDDT6GPo8yG1T zNgoY0Jd0VMUDGLiB36j7pB8Vr7rxtc+Dc9hHySiP4j0RBp7Yh2NVrZUTZ6/S5iDUsmi hUGrfWmt85Nwlu1pvg5KpQvuwSnHcz4Z4EKdVsHO/1unZ0G1kd1TMhZFh3qnl63bl08o uvNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LXqwjsiMqIzmeDoW02SzbvWEaUxU/suscg9OKMS9lt8=; b=CnyADuKzdPuCssBj3ansvHMZ31aULHUIHeRPu1oIiGpwIiIFNv12YQ19XEuQ1dHCfh /OFc4SPlyRW0XL+SrV8id2dbETUq+RoPrQ0Olt1gyxuHD+bVVAGKoUIbSwxAdT5p6ujB MoxUFKH2PXKzZzeoelnmQk3n1RG5un261rweM9x7VoaSF63NwOBr9JLICSjafzQa6WKy 8F5dpccWiknPnuCbjoclmgjOPRgcjFiPdFUu4qai94D6ay2dnIwHOpxBnnRAZpWhZS6/ r+tDxMqSM1n7BW6Jf3d1lRb/GtvJx4XiRKwL7eTBXkataTC6Lb6UgXpKidNVD/He1deB QY2A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWHFGvL76CJd1KpAIIFXR8Y2dsWAAuYjlS01JTUhAp+D/aKyf8x TbBBOs+H6xs3DG7BqyBaUdk+j3kqbTheebeJb+RyRg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyiFXMPMC5RE592vUpJMnddkEtQjv5oiD58GYTycpaRax+3Wlgm5b0Qo2QuTl3HAP/Hbplu9wiK+cFQWSsFBlQ= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:fc09:: with SMTP id r9mr5239705ioh.176.1574306302170; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201911191901.xAJJ1d76006989@skeeve.com> <20191121031423.GC23794@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20191121031423.GC23794@mcvoy.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 11:18:10 +0800 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Steve Bellovin recounts the history of USENET X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" there is a big US bias in the archives of USENET. All I could find preserved (before Google deleted it) was my updates to the maps for York.ac.uk. In collecting history, the US erased most of Europe and Asia basically. Our timelines are artificially compressed into the modern era. UCL gatewayed a lot of stuff into other news/forum spaces. So, our view of the world was a disjoint set of UK news, USENET news, European news, VMS news, BITNET lists. The world was an amazing place. Kuwait camel breeders association operating online in teaching hospital email lists in 1985 On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:14 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > > Yeah, I'd be super happy if he joined the list. I enjoyed reading > those, wished he had gone into more detail. > > On the Usenet topic, does anyone remember dejanews? Searchable > archive of all the posts to Usenet. Google bought them and then, > so far as I know, the searchable part went away. > > If someone knows how to search back to the beginnings of Usenet, > my early tech life is all there, I'd love to be able to show my kids > that. Big arguing with Mash on comp.arch, following Guy Harris on > comp.unix-wizards, etc. > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 09:01:39PM +0200, Arnold Robbins wrote: > > The Early History of Usenet, Part I: The Technological Setting: > > https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-14a.html > > > > The Early History of Usenet, Part II: Hardware and Economics: > > https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-15.html > > > > The Early History of Usenet, Part III: File Format: > > https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/blog/2019-11/2019-11-17.html > > > > Fun reading. Bellovin is another person we should try to get > > to join this list. > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Arnold > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm