From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22525 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2022 02:05:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Apr 2022 02:05:35 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 24A539D708; Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:05:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A179D680; Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:03:37 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.b="HZsimOUw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D49499D680; Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:03:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com (mail-lf1-f45.google.com [209.85.167.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 583A19D665 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:03:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id x17so8683870lfa.10 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:03:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UzkVOo/sqH20PG5RULVl0380dZvpDOI5NJJ49uxDHNQ=; b=HZsimOUwaBQ+CZxPD6Me9Q6zkeCuRJTpipK5TZP/nKgZzLLeTNbU9TvxaCq2sFrBBw G1X04vCqREx7cwp6YuDdVwNTkRNimWqeYbkijyUsi3exCLCweEjxQ40mfOaDJbN2cgTd McV20FyWgy9peBKlF2H4L3GbnOuVt9GzwaXX6kU+pe00hum5aWf+JrJIyZN5HOBuLvL4 3UY7DfJoAQGUweUehilni6bbKO03pLRuOQpyGfBkpIGGTDbRpBMyLlMV32yi8S8iGHuj cu81mQ4FVmYepqS3E9YZFVcuaIvwY/MEz5jDNRpR918CiCiHz0OqqJQbRxAF04Oxajrg 8xjA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UzkVOo/sqH20PG5RULVl0380dZvpDOI5NJJ49uxDHNQ=; b=Piy+C08oT7CcFei8U5z+zz/6WZ70/IP1nrM+0ZdDsxf6Ps5vnmvBCk7cH9OPK7idUv fJ4sUkx/nVevhrPEy3SUpdc10glQnq/oxSCWRFMA9HmF7e78ztGeGNEOfxM4QqjNXviO lyLONukLeWmkVeMCR3GOX77tWHgmqwOkAkYZ3yPk4gCqLurtnDR94gVk/xmJxIIUh+EQ UBfuDFYZVJfU6YjT4GjXMBr1hgcJPPqaDF77aD2vJ1jubknXFQopGzHqVNuWD0Yunxyw WEsydTQW89swrPF7kFsSWabcEdHADTA9tKXnXp1y6XTI0LjB0BaTPRSvKDimJAvs6vIW Jqbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531fOOS2BdtJoRYRi8VD85AXRYVvip/6rtbJMwISIVyvV4lJKyy9 +HBcd5IqR34pMYhtJaJwnUdyPpVCgcaS42qvIHGDzPYQR6Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxomFJvC9icPtmyYX6eWdxAmgtEGMudUk8eJLE7/ZZxeJSfeSeYbOIISu8aLRQWuAHjpdbRWQXYVpzX7qFCu2w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:13a6:b0:44a:3b54:42cd with SMTP id p38-20020a05651213a600b0044a3b5442cdmr13805280lfa.73.1649469812467; Fri, 08 Apr 2022 19:03:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3ECF77E9-232D-468E-9F85-2CA8026505C5@humeweb.com> <202204090028.2390S49F085864@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: <202204090028.2390S49F085864@ultimate.com> From: George Michaelson Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 12:03:22 +1000 Message-ID: To: Phil Budne Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003d819e05dc2f1e7a" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Sad News - we last two wonderful people in the past few weeks. X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000003d819e05dc2f1e7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Feels like a good fit. If they'd got into the right hands in a uni they'd have been doing the same thing, but my personal sense was they mostly got to CS departments, small volumes went to people with real world 2D and 3D design drive, and when commodity high res scan displays went mass market then CAD bust out and rotring pen shares went south. There was this weird dichotomy that architecture schools would have analogue computers because air conditioning engineers used them, but they had to walk to the computer centre to do programming (this was my experience at Leeds uni basically) Vector graphics were sweet-as. People liked pixels better. More people would have experienced vector scan as asteroids or the tank game that made it into video game parlours but by then 75% plus of the cabinets were raster displays. The Tektronix 4010 at York was almost always free, people went to the apl decwriter before they'd use it. I really loved it! On Sat, 9 Apr 2022, 10:54 am Phil Budne, wrote: > George Michaelson wrote: > > I've never met anyone who did more than play on a gt40, myself > included. I > > suspect it was something DEC sales loved, but maybe it made a lot less > > profit than vt52s, decwriters and other io devices attached to your > normal > > 11 chassis. > > > > Perhaps some architects made good use of it? > > Inside DEC they were used (with DEC-20s) to run the Stanford SUDS CAD > software. > p > --0000000000003d819e05dc2f1e7a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Feels like a good fit. If they'd got into the right h= ands in a uni they'd have been doing the same thing, but my personal se= nse was they mostly got to CS departments, small volumes went to people wit= h real world 2D and 3D design drive, and when commodity high res scan displ= ays went mass market then CAD bust out and rotring pen shares went south.= =C2=A0

There was this weird di= chotomy that architecture schools would have analogue computers because air= conditioning engineers used them, but they had to walk to the computer cen= tre to do programming=C2=A0 (this was my experience at Leeds uni=C2=A0 basi= cally)

Vector graphics were sw= eet-as. People liked pixels better.

More people would have experienced vector scan as asteroids or = the tank game that made it into video game parlours but by then 75% plus of= the cabinets were raster displays.

The Tektronix 4010 at York was almost always free, people went = to the apl decwriter before they'd use it. I really loved it!

On Sat, 9 Apr 2022, 10:54 am Phil Budne, <phil@ultimate.com> wrote:
George Michaelson wrote:
> I've never met anyone who did more than=C2=A0 play on a gt40, myse= lf included. I
> suspect it was something DEC sales loved, but maybe it made a lot less=
> profit than vt52s, decwriters and other io devices attached to your no= rmal
> 11 chassis.
>
> Perhaps some architects made good use of it?

Inside DEC they were used (with DEC-20s) to run the Stanford SUDS CAD softw= are.
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