From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0efd60c4 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9798FA1A20; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:59:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECBCA1A1F; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:59:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b=Bd50dqCt; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 127F0A1A1F; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:59:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5825AA1A1C for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:59:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id w11-v6so6585389wrc.5 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=WtU/MD882XzM1q8mJP6+mCZHBztv3Md2AjqjDCcg6HA=; b=Bd50dqCtNIVNbVt7TrnPp4ahQAqZrNMqo51woatrQnCpKWEmR68dcHsKv7bC4rE42i I28wlnp2v7i5TXlPXtYhj3ETsmDC5n2wMVFZyr8nQy/KgKTcKWmUuvMx5LC4BTxCG5IU SQnsGhGDiVbnihrQBQ4y+sMintnP/SEbZ7fjixAi/hzNWAYZ7VYT3XBrDv7X0d2fx0Nw KZ5PYcrEPKil7eq/+ndc6P3mQd4WyXCWeSmq+yHQChtqsJDqYXAhE4nrmRKjxXnpnMte JMjTY2NeqFW1WQ3KisxAplIh/IF7dEqkvmg3/UjTd/bfU4pqBKYv33zZ4Oc2uVlWex94 5qIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=WtU/MD882XzM1q8mJP6+mCZHBztv3Md2AjqjDCcg6HA=; b=QPTU665Y2zlPr0iCCKXq9cKJHobCrD0IcxgDiG4vqi8U5aiXDES6CW6HPWEZahqMtL Wbopcs48EwLcou7bBtw2AJDfHM9hqJx7oq3uY0CJdRPN7VQfvRKdepX5SGxN10xIkz94 ZBna4RMYzruHLRhUXLceV2XNuAw6TxW0MoFSX0zIqxrUUBt22/jEdx/Iztbp3uXoCJ2X vNSMUgOq697oUwwPYDtem0EV2rmCk7kv5n4mtYFJIH+2anuDlC7g1EeNFcYd3bhVgKmo N3RmfBLJRKMqivVzBRFHyUFlmq/Xcrw4W4zcgDgSkHeVqFBgi1C5pHETSGkNqDdnnIcM NW9Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51D79kbqBV6CzjIHUwhDpVjAFUCWBOyl3afWbvFss8yVlRoCcWjf HG2Ecen73puesKm3YTrv9vwT2wVYOyxmuFWxyUXKfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdYemVNnP1jU/gGWFHYlIBcPZxcpFEp6RZ7PUZBoFc3+KYEtAnGe+cZ4fdrITcwkglVVTGB+dpd+/azpV0GjZto= X-Received: by 2002:adf:c78e:: with SMTP id l14-v6mr5778584wrg.230.1535597958940; Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:59:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20180829233605.GJ8423@mcvoy.com> <69AFD606-5E1D-4060-95A5-22F33B2322B2@ccc.com> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:59:07 +1000 Message-ID: To: kevin.bowling@kev009.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] cat -v and other complaints X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" if you staid inside the reservation (so to speak) I think AIX made huge sense. I ran the BSD/RT stuff, it was very fine. The documentation was rigorous. If you stuck to the docs, you couldn't go wrong. But it was a frozen moment in time and as X10/X11 moved on, the RT port got older and older. the uni I worked at had a dying IBM mainframe. I think if we'd committed more to the IBM model and dived in, AIX would have worked well. But psych, compsci, engineering, arts/liberal-arts all went to Suns and the computer centre (where I was) had been DEC10/Vax as well as IBM) We were half-pregnant. Its a difficult state to be in. I don't really want to knock AIX, I think compared to the choices HPUX made, or Apollo Domain/OS made, the AIX choices were more self consistent. The unit I ran briefly in the research centre was rock solid and most of my complaints are 'principle of least surprise broken' coming from non-AIX world. I think if you were in it, it was fine. But really, thats the same thing about Solaris. I personally preferred SunOS but the company backed this other model, and if you were in it, the kickstart mechanism to do canned machine deployment, and disk config, and all that goodness, It was fine. I jumped ship well before Sun moved into the 'mainframe' world but I knew people who ran huge non-stop high transactional services on the E1000 series, and were very very happy. Tandem (to riff on that) had its niche. I love the story about sales engineers in the east coast pulling cards on the demo machine to show "look it works" live and the West coast maintenance people tearing their hair out at automatic supply-chain logistics shipping parts over to fix the borked node.. (this is an Aussie story) But I never had to handle the OS. SCO, I did have to work on. As long as you stayed inside the reservation.. No I can't go there. SCO was just awful.