From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E83E240AC for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 06:19:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB5143124; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 15:19:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-x32e.google.com (mail-ot1-x32e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0EBD43123 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2024 15:19:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-x32e.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-6de83f5a004so2700460a34.1 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 21:19:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1705987173; x=1706591973; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rrGiMAFnRJGo0FWXdDfjYOqAbpuWjvN/FjYSc9LJ9XE=; b=xWpJtAaEJhtzrbcht6rUgSwhSC4FohZfSn/9x/gouYOlW9n7z9aMxhgz8xBwpWazfO Mv+ROn4Xw6LQHL/MF9L5z8u7vu8qicVgDd76WJ4y5fKVuc0qanq76dHNXZdRSgMRYREM EVSJBKHstvaUjfdL20n/XCcHngw4BUi1xV0b77DEWFzcUI41jmfPmNO1b3tlPren9h7y 6ZvyXCwlmKtnBoK9IcK2XY3WLkhrG0W6EjSx7k2NJpSNSCPR7DyreownWCqbA5EKcpRM SWtXoxpwkZy+GG1JNgjeVHJeIftoNTNxNyjeayDBWFv4OPsujd/Zfz0ygy4UqFXfwrAQ GLeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705987173; x=1706591973; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=rrGiMAFnRJGo0FWXdDfjYOqAbpuWjvN/FjYSc9LJ9XE=; b=b2BuQ2x0Pxj1xNI/AqIPlZV/gdm2+cky0bxQbM6zlhaqLbZxVb6Q1Nj2ET1XfjHzba 29Za7Cz/vYhwfW/MQkdW6/YNY8HwzQ0RtsHT1CZRMYqDO+dzRKwOLQNSCNNutjtLZ2Ma qR8pWFRhwa8BuA+tnOsKur+pkETGu09ypuQG7UpeWLumCAJZylJaK/nmZ56eDn3bJkSG vAJlJVsRFUixMehIZuF4klX2NFUcmMcJOi5kAwLmB/GNJeCxS5g51agqh0qgUHx2EJ5q F++Dy25Xt3ymDfSMAsQRmkpMBN6R2u1WCJzhNlJJih/tbAlIG2v2Idz4wgQC6UezQgrz lmDw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz7czNnO83aVFhv1eN0CbKCgQ0syH9vJg4KgaOBOxwFYNt41rOp 1HRge8C+Pl3vlkQcdEB5Oe+x7UoP8y3PTA9Obwv9XOGoWvkL41YkhGRrsEED6zTPGqzgncqDLvU L1ATxzqOIZIICWoDjFQP64LNQxE3z0OM9NP8GJw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE+ULT4QX4xT4UPpa9zMzCyu3bT9eeZQfbzU+LFoj9yWvLeJIEucjnn6btpmIAJVE8QEer8kFtAcCDPX5yJKSc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:231f:b0:210:e2b0:184c with SMTP id w31-20020a056870231f00b00210e2b0184cmr1030373oao.32.1705987173506; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 21:19:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240123043956.1DEEF18C085@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20240123043956.1DEEF18C085@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 15:19:22 +1000 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: KVTH55VR3PUVGWFVEJVMBVJEQEPAAJR5 X-Message-ID-Hash: KVTH55VR3PUVGWFVEJVMBVJEQEPAAJR5 X-MailFrom: ggm@algebras.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: bakul@iitbombay.org, tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Mills' initial implementation of FTP - best citation? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: NIFTP was the UK Coloured book File Transfer Protocol. The JANET X.25 based comms stack which included different coloured fasicles for each applications protocol. If memory serves me right NIFTP was grey book but I'd have to go and check. I worked on Yorkbox, the LSI-11 based X.25 system which had a UNIX applications suite connected to X25 by a DR11-W link. I did applications level bugfixes, I completely bolloxed it up, probably wrecked the York University IPR in this project, pissed off my project partners at least one of whom left because I was such a crap coder. Happy days. Later on I worked at UCL at the end of the SATNET era when Bob Braden wrote up the project: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/1035237.1035286 Funny story: UCL was very unhappy with my ex-employer York Uni because they had coded the LSI-11 work and then lost the contract to maintain it. They kept operating a gateway from JANET to ARPANET which required use of fiddly kermit logins to get from a PAD X.25 login into a system to send real FTP commands, and there was a translator to take NIFTP command streams and somehow gateway them into FTP like in JCL (there was another applications stack in coloured. book for real JCL which was coded at Bristol uni if I recall correctly) BTW Noel is right that written reports outweigh faulty memory every time. But my memory of what a bad job I did continues to haunt me.