From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20644 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2022 01:02:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Jun 2022 01:02:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FD640D7F; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:02:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F76E40D7C for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:02:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id c4so14819471lfj.12 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=npoHaQ3x2T1R7I2rzYAMTTqKh6OGZRx04Bn2cE+ymUE=; b=w1yxy7JS1lx2FKMuqVwq5HTRh5CXf6eeX9NxQvu0jXOGM7zUnuEqvMgTV/8AMyWqE6 47fQygLnmL/0LRr/5x0s+WlraVPnflIgtfNIEflyVDO+i3MmO0iDr86BWTL1ixDmDiQw BDXzBSI2SdjJyGcL5hldEe+4H86uMVb9DB8yyzWUBkceVP3Lw4RzboV6COSYUrEi1Us5 FGwW3Qcr/7JBLCLQ5yG2mZMDRZkc9xEdS/urgCxqtk2HIpiCFxIU7TQxgLtzPAHc7pcd p92YzOq7kU9NRZkYkjN0PNqinN3Evo6R2SAQCFljdguFp0+MHsLiECOm8+Qad0IPgg+S 6nIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=npoHaQ3x2T1R7I2rzYAMTTqKh6OGZRx04Bn2cE+ymUE=; b=QKfhgvG/nSF/oflY7R9Zt0EbnrqjaWwzpRm0pdPP/U3MqJc2PUKazXTFfLA+SRJHNO KjlUVBemuigVSpKaMwu9agKgu8ipw9AV5DzMOKA2fX41/XAjY6hJLnMWR335Pq0K0ljA KV5oP/q/j0c2xEDVDbH42w7eFedWVPcXMXryUbVMD+XTX98xzdDfn4Op3caaAe6WmDxm gh6MC6EjPdUffw2iz+I0iH3E7AWfF2nK0B8Dlfrl+94CEYZqTLMdC8z4nn4+V1p8JGEP jJF89hdKSvnuyYw03pe60/R5MFqZENzCLmzoI7CgjMqUOe+MwbgA2Ztr2EQ48+ICL6yF r1gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/qAKHNNM3GV6CQzKdwxX02I/UW4ojbS4Z/35mennJgo7PYYT9w fx6MjFpz36oxTSgBmKMeDN8tKTl3S3a6zriWY7lOxKIGHpI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sakP0/vd9/MR7PQpXbXwoHLntBY3LfMwey6gBaBwpFOc0tZAv5OFsWveEJbhdNZv2eI0SzRg+0GEPnMOg4SpY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:15a1:b0:478:f6ad:c9d7 with SMTP id bp33-20020a05651215a100b00478f6adc9d7mr10494265lfb.198.1655686957033; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:02:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:02:25 +1000 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: XLHRB332UTQRUPBBHU4H5GRHCHSJOZE3 X-Message-ID-Hash: XLHRB332UTQRUPBBHU4H5GRHCHSJOZE3 X-MailFrom: ggm@algebras.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: RFS (was Re: Re: forgotten versions) List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: I probably tend too much to the sociological more than technical in this, but I do know we were very prejudiced against RFS. Very. We just didn't like it. Probably? This was some kind of bizarre chauvinism about NFS and Suns, and access to the systems. But, my memory is that RFS as available to us was not very easy to deploy, and may have been by default a "hard" mount just at the point we were finding the benefit of having a "soft" mount, in experience. Sure, a soft mount is significantly less reliable, but with unreliable campus networks and systems, half a usable system is better than none at all, and RFS tended to 'all or nothing' This was during the window where Sun was breaking the UDP checksum, and also Ethernet backoff. So, its UDP checksum gaming meant it was "faster" because it did less work, and its Ethernet backoff gaming meant it was always first-to-fire in a contention event on the cable. Two cheats! I don't think RFS did either, so there was also specious benchmarking coming into effect, -G