From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 10106 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2020 21:49:02 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 29 Mar 2020 21:49:02 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1865B9D712; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:49:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB7F9D722; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:48:36 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="MKwLcUgx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EBA719D712; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:48:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f67.google.com (mail-vs1-f67.google.com [209.85.217.67]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73A279D711 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 07:48:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f67.google.com with SMTP id o3so9793495vsd.4 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 14:48:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ywSR8sd0e/MWbiWUGGf2WtLMXuGXiEeXIWvrPzm+fjU=; b=MKwLcUgxoSkRsq5LjEuCeyENpkrX/K1QmfobNJ0tMUXMo8ChtwuJzKyWU5vUvFSYA6 40gewZptR4JwjJjyfpv9C3h1atTzIaqZSgwHXSrNgb58xsIK2AlvJQVLa7T5N9pAMykj tIws+kRALQrkQh1l5NDmgYmER3hmvyiNHG0SCeJGIT0dn0hhB0iUCPnchyCmM/BOGl/x vnj5a8Bqrr/+Nnyv1pN1dkJMmVLKas/hK5q61zW5T7NVl5LkDcf/RWBoqCZmdUMA6Ac6 EcTjvZ9SoRVWb9diRbLdxvC/lPm+IpAbnyovMcVVrOz4J/NozOMz1O6gXtp4pewz5CRm zyEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ywSR8sd0e/MWbiWUGGf2WtLMXuGXiEeXIWvrPzm+fjU=; b=lH3t+3thDQIfmVkOY5eSRKV6x4VkR8iFAQufUNJaprfM6h1Mi7budylM065LgE4/Zz ePNxuQXX6YVy8qHDZgyMzCefkyGCMgHyfQpFfC1Q0/PDYpfyF+ReGBFVv389xmnPJoP1 vpKswIhnqez5ELHvmF/AS3FcTZ4EZ1UmWbgRyinn2tffEBQxxU4H4GCilgTZJZKCLxdm PCTsuXoTIiPlLk8xhVMtPKxxixFvBd1+PFxlGnBoBZPedoeCnyipaSvnsuJye/9ItH3f 6h5ag19wbuWyyNbimMzSiljUG+FjbLGzHs7fHf9gUlj7NlpfmLEm0Obn3X+VvpOVyRbW eQCA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuZw9cbWXdFmc8rcaaQNe5R7A+REuxqJH2csD0yvBTze3vFyx4wu Dc4hvKXUVaEnS4/Pqfzq2xWazodwDT+s+LeS8NY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypIcmtvxxE/iSC4isAbb9blOHsBczGEn0FR2eNLMfcPF6RIiXjDnaXIuIo7a7/z0ObfvDpDSohQoXUnaMAIqQRM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e102:: with SMTP id d2mr5972621vsl.53.1585518511386; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 14:48:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20C3B8BE-E371-4694-8A34-EEC6A5461FAD@planet.nl> <202003291404.02TE4dAI022916@freefriends.org> <2298456D-A786-40C2-9C68-26C99E2002E1@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <2298456D-A786-40C2-9C68-26C99E2002E1@planet.nl> From: Rob Pike Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 08:48:20 +1100 Message-ID: To: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] 8th Edition timeline X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I have a dog in the fight, having joined in June 1980, but that is not a coincidence. The period of 1980-1982 was a big one for 127 (soon 1127) as they were finally given the chance to grow, and I was one of the lucky early hires in that burst. New blood brought in new ideas and things happened fast. It was also the time of the VAX; the center's 11/780 arrived in late 1980 I think, maybe early 1981. Our first experiments with graphical terminals spanned 1980 to early 1981, using Greg Chesson's mux, but by late 1981 we were using Dennis's streams (only STREAMS when they went to USG) and the select system call, which was by then running in a merged Berkeley/Research Unix that eventually became the Eighth Edition. My notebooks can probably lock down a lot of this as I was a prolific note-taker back then, when they still made paper. -rob On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 5:14 AM Paul Ruizendaal wrote: > > On 29 Mar 2020, at 16:04, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > Paul Ruizendaal wrote: > > > >> Related is the question when the "file system switch" was added. It mu= st > >> have been later than 1981 and before 1985, but I have not been able to > >> pinpoint it further. > > > > IIRC there was a "paper" (only an abstract) on the file system > > switch published in a USENIX conference proceedings. That woud help > > trace it down. > > I have that paper (=E2=80=9CThe Unix 8th Edition Network File System=E2= =80=9D), it was presented at a March 1985 ACM conference. However, there ar= e indications that the roots of the file system switch existed earlier, pos= sibly much earlier. > > I think Doug McIlroy once described 1973 as a pivotal year for Unix, with= many concepts devised that would blossom in the following 3-5 years. I=E2= =80=99m increasingly tempted to think that Summer =E2=80=9981 - Summer =E2= =80=9982 was a similarly pivotal year. > > > Peter Weinberger, who did it, is at Google; you could ask him > > directly, as well. > > That is a good idea. If someone has the email address I=E2=80=99d appreci= ate an off list message. > > Paul > > >