From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2035 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2022 12:37:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Sep 2022 12:37:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D97640134; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:37:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f180.google.com (mail-vk1-f180.google.com [209.85.221.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 715C940111 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:37:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f180.google.com with SMTP id bi53so3066927vkb.12 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 05:37:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=8BeoCq/HLc8RxOgfA1fML8K+eQ2TPo6tZEuL7hb0JUQ=; b=QqwX5ETk6RfVuBcn7lCY+gRrL1vO0uph4TEqQPxYicMFmw7kPuzW7uCkLAqr4Ptr1r olyWSCHFhWph2EciV8OvT8jQcWXzNm2vA1CMeNiBPCLWKuVfadBjWm1temW1kMtssnms GWMnGR1qTx4KlNA+7rOSkBpqQ2JV7wM0LSjgdQrXynwm4GlyxgCfW3Gu8YfANePAkCUv i+AXhnrwvcd1V0oarclXsR0tDoH1ywqwG2e5hBwkyHIglSDjc8hj/ws0RtG+VUJCca/T Pfd0AGYqPm3SLDIv6Sq0EyF4RTkDLJViEE13upvusyL4hRitSady7WC/hhAiY7ZLSCYs VISA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=8BeoCq/HLc8RxOgfA1fML8K+eQ2TPo6tZEuL7hb0JUQ=; b=l3haxxJCSjn4NfIaxvatx6aet8O7qoxFEG7gxMkJj5pQrJsUtg+/xveqHdnzcHntAw fmKZEuTNkoeSyehvx3SP++PTsy2GptgGb7ncA95MO8n+F4bnmH2AQNxPQuWkKPi53JTI PSZ2J49UnihCFgiGdwddMM8GhF7OXzCB73TkvAwZubc4KnD3It829nKla6TdbfymgV9Y GwZRx1abFnuVmOCaTHAUWDpOaBI62ThB3WpAs4LFzefrdA0yS9M0kAPaJDAfApiYPGxu EZFPXY5es1KXNWRUX71coySW975ERhi0uW7f8YFRebcL35a5BdPZu10Uykz0E2LN/46S pmEg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2fgwK3x2w4NLQuEfBEbgkc6rh1/C6kL3b2VAzRVBZ6PsWPEE1Z oFYgi3xaZ2+eLUyp7e6oHc9L0Ur95CKkVB8gvxY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4XfGOcrviGAU+WelyaTJg6oufbdv2rEjuShxrxMQhg2tEgDW9hF2JdNNiQQigBId614wwgrTxY41C6kem/arM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:2f7:b0:39e:8913:fecb with SMTP id b23-20020a05612202f700b0039e8913fecbmr9779223vko.27.1663763775400; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 05:36:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 22:36:04 +1000 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d2aff005e92f30af" Message-ID-Hash: B5MLR5IFZH6A3HQXKJXJBFCOOK2AMAMQ X-Message-ID-Hash: B5MLR5IFZH6A3HQXKJXJBFCOOK2AMAMQ X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early BSD license thread List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000d2aff005e92f30af Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It was a long time ago but it rankled at the time (and even came up in my Bell Labs interview): that copyright notice replaced whatever was there before. Code written and copyrighted by other institutions was absorbed into the Berkeley distribution and reattributed without credit. Joy told me later that the lawyers made them do it. He was probably telling the truth, but that didn't make it OK. -rob On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:12 PM Warner Losh wrote: > I hate myself a little bit, but I posted an answer to the 'BSD license > origin' in this twitter thread > https://twitter.com/bsdimp/status/1572521676268802049 > that people might find interesting. > > Please note the caveats at the end of the thread: This is a bare outline > hitting the high points taking only data from release files with no behind > the scenes confirmation about why things changed, nor in-depth exploration > of variations that I know are present, nor do I got into examples from > various USENET postings from the time that stole the license for people's > own different uses. > > Nonetheless, I hope it's useful... > > Warner > --000000000000d2aff005e92f30af Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It was a long time ago but it rankled at the time (and even came = up in my Bell Labs interview): that copyright notice replaced whatever was = there before. Code written and copyrighted by other institutions was absorb= ed into the Berkeley distribution and reattributed without credit. Joy told= me later that the lawyers made them do it. He was probably telling the tru= th, but that didn't make it OK.

-rob


On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8= :12 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com= > wrote:
I hate myself a little bit, but I posted an answer to the '= ;BSD license origin' in this twitter thread
that people might= find interesting.

Please note the caveats at the = end of the thread: This is a bare outline hitting the high points taking on= ly data from release files with no behind the scenes confirmation about why= things changed, nor in-depth exploration of variations that I know are pre= sent, nor do I got into examples from various USENET postings from the time= that stole the license for people's own different uses.

=
Nonetheless, I hope it's useful...

= Warner
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