From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20098 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2023 12:03:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Mar 2023 12:03:02 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1900F41326; Wed, 22 Mar 2023 22:02:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C6E841325 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2023 22:02:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id by13so15968204vsb.3 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2023 05:02:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1679486564; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Ia/hLnjG+0lWkeBGjCFjdwcBWFxL7SNj1ysSQt57x70=; b=jNX0VQI3/d9T5G2qk5LgklXM3PTITTq0HfmifGJPTwDGAD5soQogKZDtUrUJIlQ5tl ygyPuylwaKuXeXGrPkVT39tz15FtYLA/Pd3jXNpEwKCW40EGgOuRuo998a8+iejLLydr WhSLRMVrQmU3uY4nj2gsS4b0apUT8raRX3KSZ5P4yfTku7P5j/XcF/5OZHW8Jr+BoRRi rDJdTiDKrr9u5uIcpts4ytZRGAYjjTpI73JzFytPbjhqkE1rw3mwsiJbfv461DMfc9Lg gYhgyBvOX0txj/5D579eM/ZQxWev1bUX90vohN8XT2YiPGDbbNv927hiL3l3xbFT8Crw mAxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1679486564; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Ia/hLnjG+0lWkeBGjCFjdwcBWFxL7SNj1ysSQt57x70=; b=W4zcFhP/81XNkK7gH7JwcK/VwpEHUtCyMLFhW8RrQ/vTeNIGgCMHt1EVZMPv5BvIY7 DGZ24ySAbmmYjyC5pAUcmAX1J34qhISoyfow0SSVoQ8YzzlUIfrZAWU5G0/MWfP12tKJ YYx0RgaDwCUNINZH4iy0zLEnUDWqB/REVb09y9edVgbLlOf1ZT5dfbGeF5MEamX2qcEX Akzcmxwuc2tYcq9UDvXGGtYTLLMMYlFsxM57z6vUsbyqN1b4z2DakCX16YhGIeeUOAgH +OgoCXJ1mHJxu+X3hWU+hionxkt/eHX2NFsFidKEZNuUufa4tvGyF1x7xVAIqy7zI6to iddA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUZAR7jSFhVFSlr2I0ROzPX6pltJ6AGB7Q7UD4JSwO5IXoeMMNt rp25/ggI0Xg75AkCuy/sL6bGxV2vXNhm7E5o4zU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/nvnukxKDAT5HhONLgM368wYa7ZcPTXPZk7zh61isQwaKVeTBkUiu1O4kjGZzU23Bx3OLeAD3smJnPExuxRGk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e153:0:b0:425:cf3c:de6 with SMTP id o19-20020a67e153000000b00425cf3c0de6mr3499171vsl.6.1679486564209; Wed, 22 Mar 2023 05:02:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230319134701.3A262220F7@orac.inputplus.co.uk> <20230322022526.GI3779@mcvoy.com> <202303220740.32M7eprr032005@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2023 23:02:33 +1100 Message-ID: To: Skip Tavakkolian Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001099fe05f77bf02c" Message-ID-Hash: TQWQ4V4ZNSW4PDXPM3HHXZGAYYNNPTV2 X-Message-ID-Hash: TQWQ4V4ZNSW4PDXPM3HHXZGAYYNNPTV2 X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Bell Foreign-Language UNIX Efforts List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000001099fe05f77bf02c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The appendix version named it plain UTF, repurposing the extant name to the new encoding. The -8 came later, as it is in these linked documents, because some people wanted a UTF-7 and a UTF-16. Those people should be punished. -rob On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 9:09=E2=80=AFPM Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Also here: > https://github.com/0intro/plan9/tree/main/sys/doc > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 3:02 AM Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > >> http://p9f.org/sys/doc/utf.ps >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 12:41 AM wrote: >> >>> Thanks. Is there a link to postscript or pdf of the paper? I undoubted= ly >>> read it decades ago, but I doubt that I have it handy. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Arnold >>> >>> Rob Pike wrote: >>> >>> > Pretty much, as it was the Plan 9 UTF man page at the time. This link >>> will >>> > be essentially the same. >>> > >>> > http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/6/utf >>> > >>> > -rob >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM Mehdi Sadeghi >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > It's a long shot but is that appendix around by any chance? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Mehdi >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 3/22/23 03:52, Rob Pike wrote: >>> > > >>> > > the paper had an appendix that described UTF-8's encoding >>> rigorously, but >>> > > that was dropped >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> --0000000000001099fe05f77bf02c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The appendix version named it plain UTF, repurposing the extant n= ame to the new encoding. The -8 came later, as it is in these linked docume= nts, because some people wanted a UTF-7 and a UTF-16. Those people should b= e punished.

-rob



On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 9:09=E2=80=AFPM Skip = Tavakkolian <fariborz.t@gmail.co= m> wrote:

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Wed, Mar= 22, 2023, 3:02 AM Skip Tavakkolian <fariborz.t@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023, 12:41 AM <arnold@skeeve.com= > wrote:
= Thanks. Is there a link to postscript or pdf of the paper?=C2=A0 I undoubte= dly
read it decades ago, but I doubt that I have it handy.

Thanks,

Arnold

Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pretty much, as it was the Plan 9 UTF man page at the time. This link = will
> be essentially the same.
>
> http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/6/utf >
> -rob
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 6:12=E2=80=AFPM Mehdi Sadeghi <meh= di@mehdix.org> wrote:
>
> > It's a long shot but is that appendix around by any chance? > >
> >
> > Mehdi
> >
> >
> > On 3/22/23 03:52, Rob Pike wrote:
> >
> > the paper had an appendix that described UTF-8's encoding rig= orously, but
> > that was dropped
> >
> >
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