From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22943 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2022 07:51:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jun 2022 07:51:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB1540D3D; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 17:51:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB2DB40D33 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 17:51:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id k19so2939227uap.7 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 00:51:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ekccq2arbQRm6i2NCLRQOLRSMtEQ2+MHyhqml44y3kQ=; b=RWiPvHaE5Gv4sN9jAamgAqx+u6JbgkLjqTaRIBBHBx6aN7rABNpCm4Jo+PEciWaBQ5 TueIsRa+f3HI1VTt/AoMk4hv+z0/G66wixlxl1SU0YcIjZNye/w4wgx4lSWwMCxUrJ6m cfSKDxhqrjOmvPfRdowYcj7/MAFbae80YJ+emBXUMH8UevHPGMf4KyogT85tdss/1hsZ +zm2Vd9g/LXoQxFhQ8WdQRtSo6EvkUYaFxRdY/i+AFlxkMhy652hcbOV8CmtcYIOV+DK QpoXbI0FtTTlmWDo1M+BelPjuziNaorTDm4+66RDTE5iWk5NyjEHJ7L4jVtpwW66lkAN eAhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ekccq2arbQRm6i2NCLRQOLRSMtEQ2+MHyhqml44y3kQ=; b=i2mrXyGWSc1ANLcKuWT0yUvNGL55CiU7NTFxJ4vbjC8ObT8Cg58Gkz2t9ZZmFhAf/1 JLtztUUh6nJiH8klqvkePUPKNdMmvaUFuft14FuYmcvTyv8AkPJ7MvRQnYcPoLwUy0nF dvVPAh0QnXlemox/UpdfgoM5HjhWwx/4QmzJgKHNED82HqGbV5ezRO1c6XxfyBBPTkHT M1EJzb9AcMlx1R2P2Bjf/XFz4ZEl3DcbJD2WnsZeruphgmyHB9+VuI6UtcGBb9Co7Bc/ AlYO5841Upfsxln0rfL2Nu1Ri/d79n8P7NW4MbYjWa2ZB/odNyC4n+geKo5Ossh9NFl3 fhIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora+XldX/LXX3Rk80FuofYMjevtQvjHyaDWQ3yn5eO6T8hC8LgVxe vMx47CMMoickSXJUXrhM4qLum5GH561agnkrWf3W26/b X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1tiTlh8iUQQ8TPfs1IvVpXWKj6xYujLIyi4KTppgUo71i9LcvyKqdFTJZAZ7cjGtJSJX0qW4PqyVHVrd0Oam+I= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:2a06:0:b0:379:96c7:bf4f with SMTP id o6-20020ab02a06000000b0037996c7bf4fmr6847554uar.8.1655625068466; Sun, 19 Jun 2022 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 17:50:57 +1000 Message-ID: To: Angelo Papenhoff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001655fd05e1c8408b" Message-ID-Hash: QJVSPPAZSG5HQWLUKRM7PPGTEKEJI7IF X-Message-ID-Hash: QJVSPPAZSG5HQWLUKRM7PPGTEKEJI7IF X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000001655fd05e1c8408b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The VAX Plan 9 kernel isn't worth anything. It never worked, was never used, and was abandoned completely when better SMP machines started appearing. The VAX code wasn't even ported, as I remember it; Ken and I started over from scratch with a pair of 4-core SGI machines with MIPS CPUs and wackadoo synchronization hardware. -rob On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 5:05 PM Angelo Papenhoff wrote: > To make people more aware of post-v7 Research UNIX it would be great if > you could actually run all of them in a simulator and have the manuals > available. > > V8 is working perfectly in simh and there's blit (jerq) emulation as well. > DMD 5620 emulation should be possible as well with Seth Morabito's > emulator, but as far as I understand it needs a different ROM that we > don't have a dump of. (I've had a real 5620 connected to my laptop > running v8 in simh, it worked perfectly) > > V9 exists as a port to Sun-3 and it can actually be booted apparently. > The source seems incomplete, but the VAX kernel source seems to be > included as well. Maybe it could be gotten to run in simh on a VAX > in some form or another? > > V10 exists but not as anything that boots. I think getting this to work > would be the holy grail but also requires quite a bit of effort. > I don't know if the V8 and V10 file systems are compatible, but if that > is the case one could probably start by bootstrapping from V8. > It also includes the multilevel-secure IX system and software for the > 630 MTG terminal. > > > As for the manual... > > The V8 files have the man pages but not much of the documents. > > The V9 files seem to have neither. > > The V10 files have both the man pages and the documents but I have not > yet tried to troff any of this. > > Since I know at least the V10 manual to be a work of art and beauty I > think it should be available to everyone. I have not seen the physical > V8 and V9 manuals, but if they look anything like the V10 one, they too > deserve to be available to the public. > > > Does anyone have a plan of attack? I'd gladly join some effort to make > the research systems more visible or available again (but probably don't > have the motivation to do so alone). > > Angelo/aap > --0000000000001655fd05e1c8408b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The VAX Plan 9 kernel isn't worth anything. It never w= orked, was never used, and was abandoned completely when better SMP machine= s started appearing. The VAX code wasn't even ported, as I remember it;= Ken and I started over from scratch with a pair of 4-core SGI machines wit= h MIPS CPUs and wackadoo synchronization hardware.

-rob<= /div>


On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 5:05 PM Angelo Papenhoff <aap@papnet.eu> wrote:
To make people more aware of po= st-v7 Research UNIX it would be great if
you could actually run all of them in a simulator and have the manuals
available.

V8 is working perfectly in simh and there's blit (jerq) emulation as we= ll.
DMD 5620 emulation should be possible as well with Seth Morabito's
emulator, but as far as I understand it needs a different ROM that we
don't have a dump of. (I've had a real 5620 connected to my laptop<= br> running v8 in simh, it worked perfectly)

V9 exists as a port to Sun-3 and it can actually be booted apparently.
The source seems incomplete, but the VAX kernel source seems to be
included as well. Maybe it could be gotten to run in simh on a VAX
in some form or another?

V10 exists but not as anything that boots. I think getting this to work
would be the holy grail but also requires quite a bit of effort.
I don't know if the V8 and V10 file systems are compatible, but if that=
is the case one could probably start by bootstrapping from V8.
It also includes the multilevel-secure IX system and software for the
630 MTG terminal.


As for the manual...

The V8 files have the man pages but not much of the documents.

The V9 files seem to have neither.

The V10 files have both the man pages and the documents but I have not
yet tried to troff any of this.

Since I know at least the V10 manual to be a work of art and beauty I
think it should be available to everyone. I have not seen the physical
V8 and V9 manuals, but if they look anything like the V10 one, they too
deserve to be available to the public.


Does anyone have a plan of attack? I'd gladly join some effort to make<= br> the research systems more visible or available again (but probably don'= t
have the motivation to do so alone).

Angelo/aap
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