From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e20592a7 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 23:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8BC859C20B; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:11:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D34F9C104; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:11:08 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="dWXR0VY1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 29BCD9C104; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:11:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f50.google.com (mail-vs1-f50.google.com [209.85.217.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D22E9C102 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:11:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f50.google.com with SMTP id g23so559489vsr.7 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:11:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NbhL9mMeuyKWTdI3PxzF3dDh4gtOnwyquYzBmycVW2E=; b=dWXR0VY17AWo2lBjlCIxhBsCqsfubRiydADzhLcLbe3V+LY2mwzKOEFmeJNjIcY66W 6SH66cZjE++4pOpy2ki3xk4Q37Kcl8B3ND5H4fhan1YAIbmqoZLIJSVCO/neDjWNgcPS qBnzd16NHQZU4s4C7qIoTqszyS+YWubIWgcR6kyLIUhm3g0E5Tk620Na89+n181TGae1 IZJMJhMeln6Dxnz0OUG3pzS42ZwpZWqlkKB8hTna6ZnuM8MOqXs+OeHU15D+wLE2W2En STwZrCL5dtwXWf7ekYHQDklc/1pnYXiz1zZo2BvjNbtyFL27+HHzWtT6oHSUJunQxYtT 5RpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NbhL9mMeuyKWTdI3PxzF3dDh4gtOnwyquYzBmycVW2E=; b=dO9GGex8PX0e7Q/QNIgNONbBjH8+PqxteABnZFf2wMhdW/cT9wveE3M42p+nKbY4gk 5/7pXUf+r2mR+GZjjUXx00vEqnFtcvfXrxPafphQ/5FQdAIk0Ae2XuogpRXNYBU0pTfl YPqrXKKaoTIASQdgdniaEyyufry9kJObMfwbki7ItdtbQHoB1McM8TgifnyvzYRr/95/ xBuqviAmKakytIllAKbRT/eNdHfNqfMCWsYDjvAdKHNe36uYvKJ8/NkT17IgegunbAx4 oRXn2NWcaFlHKSny9CIh5EoiSTK3NDfbO0+FVxDiQ2fp38QCtWwxEeBqC3gB7yH8XXA2 mQ+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUj4SW58Jz7iFPsOXpAGj7JeOEtxDBEta0EGS7aTXzqNe7SdYpo JsUc9l1TiC2uGwJSqYn2pzqT0snXscotbPeJwTauxQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyWVbfl7MeXEE1g6CG7ogd+4NkwnxzCAPWMTm3HdAFJqOv4ktEXU91zEF6SHa1E7zNQEYiDYLrpOou4AV0kRq4= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c90d:: with SMTP id w13mr4197080vsk.164.1579734664545; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:11:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 10:10:53 +1100 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000850acb059cc2a364" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix quix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000850acb059cc2a364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think the 'd' slipped in during some editing. I've removed it. cagbef it is. Don't confuse quiz answers with absolute truth. All history is fiction to some extent. -rob On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:43 AM Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM Warner Losh wrote: > >> >> Berkeley's license was executed in January 74, so it might be on the >> list, unless there was a big delay. >> > That makes sense. > > >> In addition to the Nov 1975 CACM paper, there's CAC 155, published by the >> University of Illinois on 3/15/75 which pre-dates the 6th edition by a few >> months. You can read it here >> https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/32547/networkunixsyste155holm.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y if >> you'd like. >> > Thanks, that tells us it was 5th (BTW the PDF is missing page 1 in the > scan - although I suspect the missing info can be gleaned from RFC 681) > > BTW: There is another hint in CAC 155/RFC 681. The line on page 2 that > reads: "since the user is allowed only sixteen open files." My memory > is V6 allowed more than 16, over 20 is my memory; but we would have to look > at the structure to see what it is defined as. > > > >> >> RFC 681, dated March 18th, 1975, is another instance of an edited CAC 155 >> report (it seems, I've not looked at them exactly, just a quick glance) >> that talks about this work. It's the earliest mention of Unix in an RFC >> (the next one isn't until 2 years later for an email address for Dave >> Crocker DCrocker@Rand-Unix in RFC 724 in May 1977 after which it >> explodes in references). >> > And that pretty much syncs with my memory of the time. > --000000000000850acb059cc2a364 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think the 'd' slipped in during some editing. I&= #39;ve removed it. cagbef it is.

Don't confuse quiz = answers with absolute truth. All history is fiction to some extent.

-rob


On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:43= AM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wr= ote:


On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 2:42 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
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Berkeley's license was execu= ted in January 74, so it might be on the list, unless there was=C2=A0a big = delay.
That makes sense.
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In addition to the Nov 1975 C= ACM paper, there's CAC 155, published by the University of Illinois on = 3/15/75 which pre-dates the 6th edition by a few months. You can read it he= re=C2=A0https://www.ideals.illinois.edu/bitstream/handle/2142/32547/networku= nixsyste155holm.pdf?sequence=3D2&isAllowed=3Dy=C2=A0if you'd li= ke.=C2=A0
Thanks, that tells us it was 5th (BTW the PDF is missing page 1 in the= scan - although I suspect the missing info can be gleaned from RFC 681)

<= div>BTW: There is another hint in CAC 155/RFC 6= 81.=C2=A0 The line on page 2 that reads: "since the user is allowed only = sixteen open file= s."=C2=A0 =C2=A0<= font color=3D"#0000ff">My memory is V6 allowed more than 16, over 20 is my = memory; but we would have to look at the structure to see what it is define= d as.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0

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RFC 681, dated March 18th, 1975, is another instance of an edi= ted CAC 155 report=C2=A0 (it seems, I've not looked at them exactly, ju= st a quick glance) that talks about this work. It's the earliest mentio= n of Unix in an RFC (the next one isn't until 2 years later for an emai= l address for Dave Crocker=C2=A0DCrocker@Rand-Unix in RFC 724 in May 1977 a= fter which it explodes in references).
And that pretty much syncs with my memory= of the time.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
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