From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29237 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2021 20:31:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Mar 2021 20:31:06 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 87F879B5A1; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:30:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C969B580; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:30:33 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="iDlCPZkL"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 246FB9B580; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:30:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f178.google.com (mail-lj1-f178.google.com [209.85.208.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 537459B550 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:30:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f178.google.com with SMTP id q14so27356043ljp.4 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:30:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XCUTm9HClpPDXUjOF6Ttjmcn/rMpVHi2i76bKpX9iQo=; b=iDlCPZkLtmrh0J8U12dd2tjuiBnYCuLN7DxSOpwKdfYpIt7U8ygNOP+Ft4+JO7oWWU XTfDKKhXUsollKSLoG2eOd1cajTrdbT/xwj3EH6S79naWeDc2O0RxCnijS2cl039dCtp hG7b/KHwVGy2ysthHZmx3J7pvj/dpPNC8LbVHtbTz2EDMqh0nodNR3U+Ycwe5614nzoW E2qYh8h4gLfccnPBeCNurFwJVFKJUZRcKNP/Y1avpMbYPDU4ECLjgi+ggFJUQ43TR7NN GWuZuXvC61u/7WGAcWCvFsJFlUsw3udsfePX79Wlkoc0P2LDwRcJ1HEEFoFfP80kke4j 3cnQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XCUTm9HClpPDXUjOF6Ttjmcn/rMpVHi2i76bKpX9iQo=; b=pgjtnB16ri5yq0RnJ4XkBnrJ+OI0+YCBZNjXHStlNqrnbWME2QKMfQ52TDH/WDVqGb nrFYiLK8EFNj01dzkU9fkkB0tYfswvOBtnqyVMupn8Al/N1J7Kv5jDwAYz4UbLG358lT fNVHMwY5nQ7C0Ok/p4xUZxqNSuH3KIxwjS1Vzh/Uj2lWrAd8Q9ysNFm18VQcJsxjvdEH 0mIxoISghDErUvxUVaJ2YTStZqBZgtrwpbr/BJVDX/6f+LsEktaKrPeXxbmUmvemppXV d56Z58rYtr5EUVQMb3PkXxWWfo7pm/L0AOHC0++J7FrgbbRgCMnaFRwhS7QdEINkckFC XI5w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532byhc3G2709EityKyv9fET2q4PRwH482z9xeVTr+XigVIYTY4F 03OD9XKxiDo1kb/I9PW3X29R7Au/4dXVok9K8Zs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwJohJDKSTZS1xd908g4VjVCMcB4kJRSbsvuWf5h6pDM09OyX+RNUFvffnKQ+HBE863hqW6RV5m7hEqX0qpRBw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a58f:: with SMTP id m15mr2754092ljp.400.1615408229574; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:30:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210309162128.692CF640CB6@lignose.oclsc.org> <20210309202255.3doIj%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20210310183733.GA14019@box.prefix.duckdns.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 07:30:18 +1100 Message-ID: To: Ken Thompson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b0ed3305bd3489b6" Subject: Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b0ed3305bd3489b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the kids on my lawn, ed(1) is a whole man page of humor. I thought that "special character" trope was written by dmr. He certainly loved it. Also didn't it originate in something about regular expressions, like the ed or grep page? Doug can confirm. -rob On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:18 AM Ken Thompson wrote: > > back to original title - manual humour. > my favorite was in the "form" command. > -- credit to mcilroy. > > "If one of the special characters [{]}\ is preceded > by a \, it loses its special character." > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela > wrote: > >> On 3/10/21, Andreas Kusalananda K=C3=A4h=C3=A4ri = wrote: >> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: >> >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: >> >> >> >> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying th= at >> >> > ed >> >> > was the standard editor. >> >> > >> >> > -rob >> >> > >> >> >> >> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) >> >> >> >> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard >> >> text >> >> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one >> uses >> >> either anymore.) >> >> >> >> -uso. >> > >> > Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the >> > way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally >> > scripted on smaller documents. >> > >> > I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of >> > my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find >> > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more >> > and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too >> > complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing >> > language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore >> > forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. >> >> This comment resonates with me so much. I am enjoying these days >> mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with. There is a >> certain beauty in the term "less is more". And nothing is more >> satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real >> terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode. No GUIs, no >> distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text. >> That's UNIX for me. >> >> These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro >> communities around the world. There are still tons of new programs >> and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's. Still it >> appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement. I >> think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the >> old ways. I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its >> main core values: simplicity and minimalism. The hardware was much >> simpler too back in the days. >> >> Long live the ed(1) and vi(1). >> >> --Andy >> > --000000000000b0ed3305bd3489b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For the kids on my lawn, ed(1) is a whole man page of humo= r.

I thought that "special character" trope wa= s written by dmr. He certainly loved it. Also didn't it originate in so= mething about regular expressions, like the ed or grep page? Doug can confi= rm.

-rob


On Thu, Mar 11, 2021= at 7:18 AM Ken Thompson <kenbob@gma= il.com> wrote:

back to original title - manual humour.
my favorite was in the "form" command.
-- credit= to mcilroy.

"If one of the special character= s [{]}\ is preceded
by a \, it loses its special character."=


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andykosela.c= om> wrote:
andreas.kahari@abc.se> wrote:=
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped= saying that
>> > ed
>> > was the standard editor.
>> >
>> > -rob
>> >
>>
>> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;)
>>
>> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the = standard
>> text
>> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about = no one uses
>> either anymore.)
>>
>> -uso.
>
> Hi, I'm "about no one".=C2=A0 I use ed(1) every once in = a while, both the
> way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally > scripted on smaller documents.
>
> I'm soon 50.=C2=A0 Having grown up with computers, and having spen= t most of
> my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find<= br> > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more=
> and more.=C2=A0 Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by = too
> complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing=
> language of ed(1).=C2=A0 It's minimalistic and restrictive, and th= erefore
> forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative.

This comment resonates with me so much.=C2=A0 I am enjoying these days
mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with.=C2=A0 There is a
certain beauty in the term "less is more".=C2=A0 And nothing is m= ore
satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real
terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode.=C2=A0 No GUIs, no distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text.
That's UNIX for me.

These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro
communities around the world.=C2=A0 There are still tons of new programs and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's.=C2=A0 Still= it
appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement.=C2=A0 I=
think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the
old ways.=C2=A0 I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its<= br> main core values: simplicity and minimalism.=C2=A0 The hardware was much simpler too back in the days.

Long live the ed(1) and vi(1).

--Andy
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