From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11996 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2020 22:48:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Jul 2020 22:48:59 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 563C99C904; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 08:48:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEAA9C72F; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 08:47:54 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="TCKVQwNt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7D2499C72F; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 08:47:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f47.google.com (mail-vs1-f47.google.com [209.85.217.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E579B9C6B5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 08:47:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f47.google.com with SMTP id d198so2113586vsc.1 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:47:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ntGeBmszCxStI7K7g7XyItLXvwm8Ki/dCEPg50fcL2M=; b=TCKVQwNtxh0EyOr/enJEhbiDb+/fL8kv0Sp18bpjgkn6wWbBPkFdZ9OCt5GZjZ4WpL qOVyCLvFBhfxZDZBvJfHOVbLmqAVFJeN3GVZov0fUZu3ennLQEpFWakJSPbnA/rYiKUj V95udm55Pf2sdUz32KAGjZnLYOKxUfFzljXBAhA2AL620t4ego3DvLD+MdavJzpgH59B m8YUw3GVGni8tLvpLeoDVHAKj1zS7tk5TGqKC0ywDngutOwRuV0DH+9RHiR6cHroVIoF odbUWvV8CuxGhKnH4kCgPKqewihvZZm6+Jhhh/PkVToSarcvKILOJ2aQzbXMP4K2k8km axgw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ntGeBmszCxStI7K7g7XyItLXvwm8Ki/dCEPg50fcL2M=; b=TUZF0RpMMwqMlryTXSBswSONK4WO4A+Q6Q0Y0bi9fov1+1ozsJt1w+TvldTgOFeJv/ ms8fC5ET+pG/lETmXFjZ+iHJOYktgVSFHB8vfP5TOidJbWZcAUAZgQ9g+yaKSIc8R+AX gCqpqsYA0C6lRXYx2Jkq19GuN3Zjws6wb6V721UEwNMXNP0j7z/KQ4EH/yFMrbTdYr4v TLAEeJfSOi8qWtf+XivQoqLsNEMThILs+tf8FspKdVMe3DeAP2ArW88u4EnT7IgpkUqv 2JVJssqic4mpUB03WYWGV+Erq4mLOWrJ+x3y8EWiV/IdWJqyrs18llCG6EHD0+wFYdOO l/Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Oe4acpu7jh3y/bF+xr2eR9Cls+/d3AKKoD61njMAXX1Cof7yK usCFv5fW2xEoQtk+QBxJi5VABKXy/W9HtbWHuSM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJydt7GKUndAjxZq0gjLrGaKk21hJSl6ZdR6UZfTbZT5F63PhaHjuswYfuGQ9i96ZyroXsB2gHfGJ4WDrtjrJBM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c58c:: with SMTP id h12mr34544710vsk.141.1594162069796; Tue, 07 Jul 2020 15:47:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1594149663.18455.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: <1594149663.18455.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> From: Rob Pike Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 08:47:38 +1000 Message-ID: To: Norman Wilson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e27d8705a9e1c73e" Subject: Re: [TUHS] v7 uucp debugging help requested X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e27d8705a9e1c73e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The thing about ed that is missed by johnny-come-latelys who mock it for its lowness is that it was so much higher than most, if not all the commercially available text editors of its time. The gold standard was perhaps Son of Stopgap, whose very name tells you the state of things. I remember spending a couple of days baking inside a radio telescope control cabin implementing a miniature version of ed in forth just so I work more effectively on the task to come. -rob On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:22 AM Norman Wilson wrote: > Dave Horsfall: > > A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", because one day it > might > be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right... > > ==== > > Besides which, as The Blessed Manual said in every > Research edition: > ed is the standard text editor. > > Norman Wilson > Toronto ON > (typing this in Toronto qed) > --000000000000e27d8705a9e1c73e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The thing about ed that is missed by johnny-come-latelys w= ho mock it for its lowness is that it was so much higher than most, if not = all the commercially available text editors of its time. The gold standard = was perhaps Son of Stopgap, whose very name tells you the state of things.<= div>
I remember spending a couple of days baking inside a rad= io telescope control cabin implementing a miniature version of ed in forth = just so I work more effectively on the task to come.

-rob


On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:22 AM Norman Wilson = <norman@oclsc.org> wrote:
=
Dave Horsfall:

=C2=A0 A boss of mine insisted that we all learned "ed", because = one day it might
=C2=A0 be the only editor available to you after a crash; he was right...
=3D=3D=3D=3D

Besides which, as The Blessed Manual said in every
Research edition:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ed is the standard text editor.

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(typing this in Toronto qed)
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