From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 21751 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2022 20:44:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Jan 2022 20:44:55 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 48A5B9CFE2; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:44:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FD09CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:44:40 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="XtPJDLGu"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AAA389CFC9; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:44:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com (mail-pj1-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29CF89C78F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 06:44:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id lr15-20020a17090b4b8f00b001b19671cbebso997462pjb.1 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:44:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ke6VqXBWFGf2HHAfbsBeg/3qcKcpE1vI2Is5DJtoC5M=; b=XtPJDLGu1KEmneSSdlxa7CjrIdMFf4iiVYX0ivx+5YL8e0m/kbKOtzfFpwm4p+Ewgd lN7+u2DKYLdMCJRmyzrUXtyG3ex0tQuN8iuSHk47HR7q5rO4svWMJniH/CXZ5hVkVvfL VpufQXCS1nw1nljmzCPORkPdVMldUh/7BBleQkX9/JyK5xkufaJ63p2hS3omd8rG6U4J wQN15BmeXTfVTZZLg3t3ui8Th4AVBDVfEaEJK9UNSMupabZAKvx0mhe4EHWz/hE/8UFJ ex55Iqg2JsdJD8fZ8kg3CU31lIpq6wta/YpDbuAgoYGFkvem5y1faOgkUtRlIJ5tQEC1 DNvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ke6VqXBWFGf2HHAfbsBeg/3qcKcpE1vI2Is5DJtoC5M=; b=wAWLufhl4rG/rjzRR2pWMtUNWFUrP3Ycztcag2P5gwak3KbCqVhNXi0Epi9d1FtuSj w+bMdtq2GrgNQJkSw3loKnP2sOzv1P9UdVBCN3CNn0jorC/zLNp62d8LwDhYK4cafNvh feJ6+JlDsnSsUNfqAd5KtQ5RZlRrjkMKixwtWTH60Alou3VAqC72rBNotoWLcFrVYgxy VF0ZlFUv66DyyqvJkosQnlRvnGHan6TDBGZ3b6qOwsesOi4AuapbpovXui2GGRa7lw5Q udoDDkH5UvnBkF1gnSvN77GJRaC6rhP6fYfBMR69xSCShE3/AgcFVSo44YYmESFvH6hZ K/uA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533kZdjQXxaAvCER1mmAro4V2ZePqhWUmDT4G0hFV4jdM9+fuDFw Vx0IRSJbXwGsKNV5YiYwTidJ0jtp0d33fsaA9ZvIuwNS X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxS0XteTfYDssKZzc3xjZwwP7hMdwz0BgLr+r4BQxcM/5dEUuu/hdaGiS6OpuMN45jAtIsoXp8rB0r2ZtRmudc= X-Received: by 2002:a63:3f09:: with SMTP id m9mr5597174pga.64.1641933878581; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:44:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:44:27 +1100 Message-ID: To: George Michaelson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093df2e05d554851b" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Coastal cultures, collaboration, creativity and Sun vs DEC. X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000093df2e05d554851b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Similar. Everyone at Bell Labs was so *proper*. (Except Ken, of course. Ken is *sui generis*, and a Californian). I'm sure it wasn't really me, but it felt like I was the first person to utter a curse word in the Unix room. -rob On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:26 AM George Michaelson wrote: > Bit of this in ietf too. Inner cohort of vint and similar background wear > three piece suits. > > Three: vest not optional. > > A west coast mob wear tie-dye tees. > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 6:18 am Rob Pike, wrote: > >> I see a stylistic connection between the style of writing of the manuals >> and the New York journalism, especially that of the New Yorker. When I >> arrived at Bell Labs, I was a little taken aback by the change of culture >> in writing, dressing, and entertainment compared to my years as a grad >> student in California. I mean, I fit in - I subscribed to the New Yorker - >> but I felt like a bum in a room full of high society folk. >> >> That feeling never really left. >> >> -rob >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 6:35 AM John Cowan wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 1:37 PM Dan Cross wrote: >>> >>> It seems like Unix is largely a child of the coasts. >>>> >>>> >>> We can add the eastern coast of Australia, where the original Wollongong >>> group made the first V6 port to the Interdata 7/32 (not to be confused with >>> the Labs port to the 8/32). The Western U.S. company of the same name was >>> formed to sell it, but I don't know if any of the Ozites moved to Palo Alto. >>> >> --00000000000093df2e05d554851b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Similar. Everyone at Bell Labs was so proper.=C2=A0= (Except Ken, of course. Ken is sui generis, and a Californian).
I'm sure it wasn't really me, but it felt like I wa= s the first person to utter a curse word in the Unix room.

-rob





On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 7:26 AM George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
Bit of this in ietf to= o. Inner cohort of vint and similar background wear three piece suits.

Three: vest not optional.

A west coast mob wear tie-dye tees.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2022, 6:18 am Rob Pike, <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
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I see a = stylistic connection between the style of writing of the manuals and the Ne= w York journalism, especially that of the New Yorker. When I arrived at Bel= l Labs, I was a little taken aback by the change of culture in writing, dre= ssing, and entertainment compared to my years as a grad student in Californ= ia. I mean, I fit in - I subscribed to the New Yorker - but I felt like a b= um in a room full of high society folk.

That feeling never really l= eft.

-rob


On Wed, Jan 12, = 2022 at 6:35 AM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
=


On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 1:37 PM Dan Cro= ss <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:

It seems like Unix is largely a child of the coasts.=C2= =A0

We can add the eastern coast of Australia, where the original Wollon= gong group made the first V6 port to the Interdata 7/32 (not to be confused= with the Labs port to the 8/32). The Western U.S. company of the same name= was formed to sell it, but I don't know if any of the Ozites moved to = Palo Alto.
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