From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15738 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2023 01:41:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Jun 2023 01:41:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F40410A6; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:41:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yw1-x1131.google.com (mail-yw1-x1131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FC4410A3 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:41:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yw1-x1131.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-56cfbb4a559so20474017b3.1 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1686620496; x=1689212496; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=grLvCWnh6EP0qnh5QTUVzIGuxvT4/0cTa19+I/xXe+g=; b=ZeEY0Wqg6Qm25+tWBRXx7GtT/WBNIGnO2mqeTOvEwcd3Qk+LUAug0fRIObSmu2PzJl bEwjjsuItpoGnGeOPcfXzIXvzIH+nPMzfRukR2Duprld7vsK06l5tBibZ5834/c801Wy 6Ny4FX0eJxXQqzaIWJMKfaMahkE7/ilFPsTPQa/wVVOmVA5DgN3ah+lOkWLwC0zW6nOP zHo5MEbYsqwBiuD/LCFPPtzu8YXHmaBx6wU6Sy4uvVrXPHFRUBk1aHjpwjrRWlbq8RN5 9tCoFC7SmBWGPr1yvtoBLxzp1Ty9poQ0s4Uc8XJNcWLCjXi6xdrvbOx1djIcLza/2jWu ECkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686620496; x=1689212496; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=grLvCWnh6EP0qnh5QTUVzIGuxvT4/0cTa19+I/xXe+g=; b=XNce+02D46kJgpCKd+0j9u6qFwdibgkGjLmSQUTcptw8dhOkYIkLdTNdfKVS5TdaqJ umn3k4jxxgd1oP/PDdwpb4uaYap8wWWK8FAco54zboYMNai1jP0IhHhUggX1A5qyAzP5 ymg7JyUC1jUHiSwwMW+ksXLDJ7NMdMnknQNGOMxZvrmNvaOkicKlBu3/KD5yryz3jHAO f1aiPh0pT8oG3IycyGJHcEBbvrOTNvqWgUP+lQtoadUs+p+vtbIzJxG2AdCWvlkA2NZL uWC0srVgj9T7VRxSbxfxtolf3Hra8jD8ti+XGpbbS8qVZyK3mR0O3fB8EaZyv1gYRHZm d6BA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxdZNUmpPrG/iQfgyoA7K1wn4kfErymlu7uGYickUyyiF5YpVG9 9V32+UH9WKsUB/ZXBocX7X9mZKVxiT6HePf0aqlrMm+x X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6VZUhF6tDOM3zeyn/cMJ5ENzo6iigRw+545r84Simvc1q1DfjK31dl9suAvAiHb/Mnhp8Duevim8ElYZAnOCA= X-Received: by 2002:a81:6d04:0:b0:56d:23d0:94e3 with SMTP id i4-20020a816d04000000b0056d23d094e3mr431864ywc.18.1686620496305; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:41:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <21D1C841C4310FE1829023B424252295.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: <21D1C841C4310FE1829023B424252295.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> From: Rob Pike Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 11:41:25 +1000 Message-ID: To: Norman Wilson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008da43b05fdf8ef39" Message-ID-Hash: AKL4FISURAYJTGA7UTFIYSLJZ3BY56UD X-Message-ID-Hash: AKL4FISURAYJTGA7UTFIYSLJZ3BY56UD X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: crt0 -- what's in that name? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000008da43b05fdf8ef39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a citation but the 127 (as opposed to 1127) crowd all called them runcoms. -rob On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 11:37=E2=80=AFAM Norman Wilson w= rote: > Clem Cole: > > > Apologies to TUHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not > > impact UNIX and its peers. > > Fortran had an important (if indirect) influence in early Unix. From > Dennis's memories of the early days of Unix on the PDP-7: > > Soon after TMG became available, Thompson decided that we could not > pretend to offer a real computing service without Fortran, so he sat > down to write a Fortran in TMG. As I recall, the intent to handle > Fortran lasted about a week. What he produced instead was a definition > of and a compiler for the new language B. > > (The Evolution of the Unix Time-Sharing System; see the 1984 > UNIX System issue of the BLTJ for the whole thing, or just read > https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/hist.html) > > Now let's move on to the name `rc'. Not the shell, but the > usage as part of a file name. Those two characters appear > at the end of the many annoying, and mostly pointless, configuration > files that litter one's home directory these days, apparently > copied from the old system-startup script /etc/rc as if the > name means `startup commands' (or something beginning with r, > I suppose, instead of startup). But I recall reading somewhere > that it just stood for `runcom,' a Multics-derived term for what > we now call a shell script. > > I can't find a citation to back up that claim, though. Anyone > else remember where to look? > > Norman Wilson > Toronto ON > > --0000000000008da43b05fdf8ef39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not a citation but the 127 (as opposed to 1127) crowd all called = them runcoms.

-rob


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 11:37=E2=80=AFAM Norm= an Wilson <norman@oclsc.org> = wrote:
Clem Cole= :

> Apologies to TUHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not<= br> > impact UNIX and its peers.

Fortran had an important (if indirect) influence in early Unix.=C2=A0 From<= br> Dennis's memories of the early days of Unix on the PDP-7:

=C2=A0 Soon after TMG became available, Thompson decided that we could not<= br> =C2=A0 pretend to offer a real computing service without Fortran, so he sat=
=C2=A0 down to write a Fortran in TMG.=C2=A0 As I recall, the intent to han= dle
=C2=A0 Fortran lasted about a week.=C2=A0 What he produced instead was a de= finition
=C2=A0 of and a compiler for the new language B.

(The Evolution of the Unix Time-Sharing System; see the 1984
UNIX System issue of the BLTJ for the whole thing, or just read
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/hist.html)<= br>
Now let's move on to the name `rc'.=C2=A0 Not the shell, but the usage as part of a file name.=C2=A0 Those two characters appear
at the end of the many annoying, and mostly pointless, configuration
files that litter one's home directory these days, apparently
copied from the old system-startup script /etc/rc as if the
name means `startup commands' (or something beginning with r,
I suppose, instead of startup).=C2=A0 But I recall reading somewhere
that it just stood for `runcom,' a Multics-derived term for what
we now call a shell script.

I can't find a citation to back up that claim, though.=C2=A0 Anyone
else remember where to look?

Norman Wilson
Toronto ON

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