From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 14811 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2020 01:29:18 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 19 Apr 2020 01:29:18 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EC8FF9C83E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:29:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8361E9449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:28:45 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="vIgLNHCx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CCFCF9449E; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:28:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f51.google.com (mail-ua1-f51.google.com [209.85.222.51]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CD3694497 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:28:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f51.google.com with SMTP id v24so2242107uak.0 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gYP0UChUHhBgmPcHh8PX2v6OFsAPKpSaj/fZD1id824=; b=vIgLNHCxz0wYzxrDz9M6wqkQN6/07ybQNloNzCBY/rcGOJWbZtAil7OhwyhaOknEPz HppQm007XiSByE/K2AG8lu2bcAO/e4APauf2cgJGODw1sLGAVJ7WZlGx4yF0coOMt/gk HMTsepSsMAYStQfDmT035rP5HITvzdhDo/xTb6I9xTSxVbkyiqcZcyWMpQoFxCsTFt+J GQ2doyoVlvyARYd9vRjUz34JkkxhMrK5vhyqIxNKdz6cG80xsqIiKc0dpRK24wjo5Jd2 d6aLqoT2AuhB1/93epvN8oNz8qHNUTl0A7BkR6HtZeQsT7cgnwq64DlScDg441o1nUPC Xu4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gYP0UChUHhBgmPcHh8PX2v6OFsAPKpSaj/fZD1id824=; b=HxY0kX0b7Qw0qXkQeIzgrgTxg8V9lA2E3MSp5ooCmvE4e2EEF/tyC5Bmn2NH3/1Aph hUIU758sPkjV8lY2QWXBJwqqqL9w3FS/fHHVnIV+TGQPDn3i1z69k03hXwWqZa8+NIZX Jpb+t8SEL7G5Tf7DOSFPWwtpPl23/CxKfC7pVha/HVDncb41GD2R1RImuM9+mi5I8y12 LoXeySMOqG0FhLfPipNOVwxb6ptGIjMOYSn8zmPl2+h+zI8fpbjjQKZUOfgltbks+H9P moD6oBc+2EpRQiDMd8MtcOW2ONOFjFWHRKcxLwpqvLxmw0ihs7CeyCjR9QjrphQHB7+/ duyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYwWxU734h8eOMQJs05WdBvNxX2omFwSyS4wAV2gniWNQjdo1FI HkzixnuUnMgF1JdQZho68lYXp9wveNNG+zFvMl4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKMI1aQEXbadWf7MbtwMFj+4ygq/Dl/2y3hp2mly9TmZ0UHY0YtzE2lL323vbHYmYOmccjTqZ1H9LluKf0qpao= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:20d6:: with SMTP id z22mr3755295ual.121.1587259720427; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:28:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200418172018.AE33F2CF6BF9@macaroni.inf.ed.ac.uk> <20200418172337.GA22829@vagabond> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:28:29 +1000 Message-ID: To: Ken Thompson , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] Plan 9 from outer space ? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" It wasn't my intention. -rob On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ken Thompson wrote: > > rob, > you shouldn't have shut down this discussion. > > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 3:27 PM Rob Pike wrote: >> >> As it says there, >> >> The hermeneutics of naming yields few insights. Things are named usually= because the name is nice (sam), or there is some private reference hard to= decode (8=C2=BD), or in honour (perhaps backhanded) of another system (mot= hra), or an indication of expectation (Plan 9, acme), or just because (acid= ). None of the names tell you anything helpful. >> >> Despite the lack of information, those who guess at reasons for naming g= enerate volumes of apocrypha. The real reason is usually, ``because''. >> >> -rob >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 3:50 AM Royce Williams = wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 9:45 AM Warner Losh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 11:24 AM Pierre DAVID wrote= : >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Richard Tobin wrote: >>>>> >> There is a widespred anecdote that "Plan 9" name comes from the >>>>> >> movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space". >>>>> > >>>>> >Given that the full name is "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" I don't think >>>>> >there's much doubt about it. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Yes, but is there anything besides the name? >>>> >>>> >>>> Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. And was for many years listed as the w= orst movie ever, including the formative years of plan 9. >>>> >>>> A professor(?) at CU once told me, though I don't know if I buy it, th= at plan 9 was Unix Plan B at first. There was a description that it was the= worst system ever (except for all the others) in a knod to Churchill (supp= osedly based on his comment about Democracy). And from there it was a quick= jump to Plan 9 from Bell Labs as all these themes flowed together in a mis= h-mash of creative naming... With a different name, it could break with Un= ix in interesting ways... >>>> >>>> I have no clue if this is true, and I'm no longer in contact with the = professor that told me this since it was mid to late 90s, and I'm honestly = having trouble recalling his name. It wasn't a 'big name' like Evi, but I t= hink it was someone at CU I had a beer with (which means it could have been= a grad student to post-doc as well, it was 25 years ago and beer was invol= ved). It makes a great story, but I don't know if it's anything more than t= hat. I put it out there because I know Rob or Ken is likely to correct some= thing that's this detailed and specific if it's really wrong :) >>> >>> >>> See also: >>> >>> http://9p.io/wiki/plan9/lfaq/index.html#GENERAL_INFORMATION >>> >>> Royce