From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id de80adcc for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DF9B99BB88; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:59:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4EB9B4F3; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:59:08 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="J38q/GVb"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1E81E9B4F3; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:59:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f41.google.com (mail-ua1-f41.google.com [209.85.222.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D1CB9B4F2 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:59:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f41.google.com with SMTP id b2so5024921uak.3 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BqsnRTQ/EiUXoLEOCkjA/v2GNaIN//oEbGw/w8rPKq0=; b=J38q/GVbhwU2SXu5weAhZpWuppV3qKFmyXqMTu/9APzp44JXZ7rz9G2TieH8aySg59 RKX6R0VF4C1lQLDzuLCsfxs47euJwUsr/FkfrpQJPQ/w2sn5DH5GGKc7o9YR2bzaK/PB Bah4q/x3zelp77FK6lUe1Ww73IYQEPbJ4Gw4IINZHk4cs7NOI2ZA2mT3zi2d8lWB3yEI bjc9w86tFxpzBkH4tajOFjmowp1zaBZJJQpZu/R4X5yL7RG4dIdEy+8GzwdFWoKrewNC vDhwwX+gC3LqwkhqUH6d8BZmn5eoKnglOsEwwpDpuEPh1nryD7jutNhML+KfvPIIXVNE ib6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BqsnRTQ/EiUXoLEOCkjA/v2GNaIN//oEbGw/w8rPKq0=; b=OCiu6krR54u86F3WOkUAM6MyCBJmw75kvtWGkWHvM+XxjFEf4cXDJsUUJ15EjeWwCC VGXtrl6UKHe47OdHGk/ELeGJJudomexsQkq7UFdmJkrs62245/kp5kTNzRuf+jy33eEG hSdweUAOCDL6O1sj4SeElp8wmeOuOno3dHVo11PZPS5EQCu+BibTDMDNE5bM6Ciw9/Ti bPkio3tdDBMnTRpXFnDdnP+KnhFHK4xVwKwuKstqtz4j2ZUpNKHw5zAADTpT4ToMMkVb kQhlknuYZdE8UQ+cebDZquZd4sfXNpiqEV/Jp8b8n6/noGAhgUqjhNgaIGtMHDPlK5si RumQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWNvAAI+4ZG51blSHgijRMWXZ4eUMzXpJNfLuuoqQP0PyLLpzzn /kqX1enQBUG/2yWMnVdo0tTkwsNCvDhp3h1SfAnSTHe+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqynrC6jaz32aOFJ1PMSzED0iaZp+7lB8sNDbAVnmPGJl/PKJSNvOejr66h4QwaebWWgAGOkWuOAmQCDqqDN5Wk= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:28c:: with SMTP id 12mr9882232uah.118.1566867545656; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:59:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> <75a32043-4830-ba04-ee0f-023c5f5ade3f@gmail.com> <20190827003013.GS13570@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20190827003013.GS13570@mcvoy.com> From: Rob Pike Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 10:58:54 +1000 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007813ce05910ec787" Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007813ce05910ec787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even the 8th edition was an improvement on most of its successors. But things flowed another way, with muddy streams mixing in. -rob On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:30 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 08:19:45PM -0400, Arthur Krewat wrote: > > On 8/26/2019 7:56 PM, William Pechter wrote: > > >ZFS > > > > Here, here! > > I really don't understand the love for ZFS. I hired Bonwick and I > hired Moore, I had high expectations but they were all dashed when I > realized ZFS doesn't use the page cache. That's so crazy busted I lost > all interest in ZFS. ZFS took us back to HP-UX mmap semantics. > --0000000000007813ce05910ec787 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I always thought Research 10th Edition was fantastic. Even= the 8th edition was an improvement on most of its successors. But things f= lowed another way, with muddy streams mixing in.

-rob


On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 10:30 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 08:19:45PM -04= 00, Arthur Krewat wrote:
> On 8/26/2019 7:56 PM, William Pechter wrote:
> >ZFS
>
> Here, here!

I really don't understand the love for ZFS.=C2=A0 I hired Bonwick and I=
hired Moore, I had high expectations but they were all dashed when I
realized ZFS doesn't use the page cache.=C2=A0 That's so crazy bust= ed I lost
all interest in ZFS.=C2=A0 ZFS took us back to HP-UX mmap semantics.
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