From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 934bda33 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EA33E9CC11; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 06:51:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26909CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 06:51:14 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="pYSwHs7t"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6C3D99CC07; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 06:51:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f173.google.com (mail-vk1-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D38C59CB86 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2020 06:51:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id g7so968012vkl.12 for ; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:51:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vuUl+n94+FKo3e1l7wASLzl5eFHfqgzhfXI6/LNp7l4=; b=pYSwHs7tlhu3e8wc1bBgWCuwSXhoMqn0ivWo0zC+UztLOjygJyxSHo/1v8zEp94GIr NJHKs4CjSjCCkmZCSQCRmJzdn5GDD3GlmmAKr87Miow5G70hEKX/xcClUiqOd7FGvMx3 xP1MKYixluU/Wilj1hdUtHnUsPOpL+4GnICsdy4l3gJMmGse6EdkwEDUzj8Ha93YzkFT WSorAF4J+SgrKlaWFThgGUSPE6Hn1TviolSU8M/IEp4ugp7eWO1Y5xorqhobtLYZRGrT Ef73x4H0jhXnE4PE5N5WOUDSDkS+ZcZ91EFYUboQTWCynmmNE84IQVWgABDO/WYPcm/S y95Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vuUl+n94+FKo3e1l7wASLzl5eFHfqgzhfXI6/LNp7l4=; b=oN3pEfQsBUC2CHosLxal4tuvZCY8tSVlb1Hi5KUPD/JModhREd9/LmXI+qH5p5riwa OES1Sk/eymoBwMzHlnj4Di/MyQTzymcxqvMhGhdobuM+IfIeloIpkQF9wqmiChzQ4Cqw b6DKXX+akSPS/+HmiterBvtbPzo2zYn8QkyAmEx+NbfWohTahpnGo7JPLnnbzq3zUzZq Muo1ALYFGKPHth1ANynItHB5fMTL7OcCv13peUKEGOTwgOu4/tGUDDqdpwzzSe2+GEOZ BscBdA4Bw3UyADju68HHVtrA2hyF2ejMo3lmZ+zsw6sggFSgEi+QUrdSjJ7fOJ2wEnc1 FPnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXNldhWjeh/vIE0msxXeLuHNr93xV1jF8ec7piI6w2a8s4yT83D ay/suiW90SxzZb5t5trQcYs1t+ApG3UdVDm2up8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzdDciFQ+HLrC0Ib1M1w9Lp9OVh8PpLGyBq3TaciUTJLooTbyzOT4lOFon5ed9Un8e+ByTwkPBwZ2FSgqJdIts= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:bfc2:: with SMTP id p185mr2950927vkf.73.1580935869735; Wed, 05 Feb 2020 12:51:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c507ef665851fd21ecdf0e23136dc86@firemail.de> <1ippPk-8PE-00@marmaro.de> <1iqMuL-1zK-00@marmaro.de> <20200204094018.661e76717f7f475e6cb53e75@sjmulder.nl> <20200204201453.ebeaabon26vbgfle@localhost.localdomain> <202002050845.0158jDOu024559@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 07:50:58 +1100 Message-ID: To: Clem cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eda6a7059dda5092" Subject: Re: [TUHS] pronouncing *nix formulas (was: screen editors) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000eda6a7059dda5092 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frodo (Ted Kowalski) told me it was originally spelled, and pronounced, fuck, for good reason, but he soon realized it was going to be used by others and changed one letter. It was just letters after that. -rob On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Clem cole wrote: > FWIW. When it was written, Ted and I used pronounced it as =E2=80=9Cfisk= =E2=80=9D (rhymes > with =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K. was always acceptable to my= ears. I admit I > smiled one time when I heard some one call it =E2=80=9Cf-sick=E2=80=9D bu= t that was not > considered the proper pronunciation. > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not > quite. > > > On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > "G. Branden Robinson" wrote: > > > >> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote: > >>> markus schnalke wrote: > >>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-dee'' (like > >>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do? > >> > >> Certainly not. When one sees a command name that duplicates a > >> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to > >> select that preferentially. > > > > ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and > > the other two-letter commands. > > > >> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "ditroff"?) > > > > I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff". :-) > > > > FWIW, > > > > Arnold > --000000000000eda6a7059dda5092 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Frodo (Ted Kowalski) told me it was originally spelled, an= d pronounced, fuck, for good reason, but he soon realized it was going to b= e used by others and changed one letter. It was just letters after that.
-rob


On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 1:34 AM Cl= em cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
FWIW. When it was= written, Ted and I used pronounced it as =E2=80=9Cfisk=E2=80=9D (rhymes wi= th =E2=80=9Cdisk=E2=80=9D), but F. S. C. K. was always acceptable to my ear= s.=C2=A0 I admit I smiled one time when I heard some one call it =E2=80=9Cf= -sick=E2=80=9D but that was not considered the proper pronunciation.

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite= .

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 3:45 AM, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
>
> "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:=
>
>> At 2020-02-04T09:40:18+0100, Sijmen J. Mulder wrote:
>>> markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
>>>> Wikipedia writes that `ed' would be pronounced ``ee-de= e'' (like
>>>> ``vee-eye''), is that what you english speakers do= ?
>>
>> Certainly not.=C2=A0 When one sees a command name that duplicates = a
>> frequently-used diminituve of a common name, the brain is going to=
>> select that preferentially.
>
> ISTR thinking of it and calling it e-d, along with r-m, l-n, m-v and > the other two-letter commands.
>
>> (And did people really say "dee-eye-tee-roff" for "= ditroff"?)
>
> I did ... Although it's "groff" and not "g-roff&quo= t;. :-)
>
> FWIW,
>
> Arnold
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