From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2606a493 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2020 23:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F2C019CCBB; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 09:58:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDA79CCAE; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 09:57:57 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="NHaqqIqP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7C4109CCAB; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 09:57:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com (mail-vs1-f45.google.com [209.85.217.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FA169CCA9; Sat, 8 Feb 2020 09:57:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id p6so721039vsj.11; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:57:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pCIJB0Pdh+suXW00uKgVNRcRrZXaKW5nkbNAvuCfjFs=; b=NHaqqIqPM2r8oMOuVs0fNjm7G78fSAgWThtEahQVRvBVY2iIuxJYkP0h6sTd/5ztHo ExsIDIOrUFmDf44TObbJEba9UYm25D5TCJydnxCczQlCnUm/ROjJKXZ9ks/rXSntwvcW Tbqn0Dc3KRsQOktLafQH7yYd9xKMtF6kVahPNUYpkwXjnznAuekdVqbclGeoPOZLm3n1 Edl3qBnoPCzeA/C4ujHLmBz396+w1iLJP8J9mqOyO1lFEKBx7o7vDsGs14Ax1aIwWV6C Lv+6v1BAOSgnCgP6EpNww44qEOoAKrRJ/HOuQZNxSB/mQUl8g+7+aq1JT/XJ7enk94at fuRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pCIJB0Pdh+suXW00uKgVNRcRrZXaKW5nkbNAvuCfjFs=; b=EmIeGCpwftGg6tLq1ehHp93HVoMii9dS5bIcm/GgtrL5aqJz8sTrW+OYZASSx9tlrG PCmbXAlHIFiTUcYU4J6qQkCkj1F0uuqivq56yhFHFnhPRN6EXpxsBqh/TRhySy1uhiXr gJyTn6wA+1P9OMpytcz5JBPFSaiGCP9ICgINo3SRTEGqv4Xw6L/Cl1hhgNlgoMQ93sWA 0NfiIvijvQuG4ZGxe+HUYg157L6J/dX2lruuequ40yUh67QmIUIVVI+FviksY5f9d65p 8coZ9YZ0ISM9A01Pvqk2GLYKrLN1H65bE4Z6EKxcTjBIHse7LApg08VK3AzsBfHXOGIg oDVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVkPuKwfJerpZKtf/EfJg2gO9VoEVVwHjy88oK4OhDQP6I8KGlw cy0B/P82FgN6wxXP3xYX5T8/047n3GS7jd8QmwgPPVxv X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzMTpQCmbFn6E/O3+uAFt7lHXlABhMimcIfq4TjaZaf8rMuyVjQlbEJd60DykvILbWUKlGc1J2ImTPnksBuxnw= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c90d:: with SMTP id w13mr627498vsk.164.1581119872803; Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:57:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:57:41 +1100 Message-ID: To: Warren Toomey Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005da88e059e0528f7" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Warner's Early Unix Presentation X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000005da88e059e0528f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Very nice talk with lots of good background. It made me think of the boxes of DECTapes we had under the Unix room floor, and what we might have lost. (Volunteers did manage to recover a couple of them, but time was short). PWB inaccuracy: The talk said that tools like grep and sed came from PWB, but that's not true. They were original, as I'm sure Warner knows; he just misspoke. Slightly more important: PWB also did not introduce the idea of the shell (neither did Unix, for that matter), although there was a distinct shell for that system that included the legendary pump operator, later superseded by here documents. The flow from PWB back to the main research line was a trickle at best. We had bad NIH in 1127. -rob --0000000000005da88e059e0528f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very nice talk with lots of good background. It made = me think of the boxes of DECTapes we had under the Unix room floor, and wha= t we might have lost. (Volunteers did manage to recover a couple of them, b= ut time was short).

PWB inaccuracy: The talk said = that tools like grep and sed came from PWB, but that's not true. They w= ere original, as I'm sure Warner knows; he just misspoke. Slightly more= important: PWB also did not introduce the idea of the shell (neither did U= nix, for that matter), although there was a distinct shell for that system = that included the legendary pump operator, later superseded by here documen= ts. The flow from PWB back to the main research line was a trickle at best.= We had bad NIH in 1127.

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