From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27614 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2022 08:30:49 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Mar 2022 08:30:49 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 69F649D6A1; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:30:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230039D662; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:30:10 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="kNbv6t5P"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7B3499D662; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:30:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com (mail-pg1-f170.google.com [209.85.215.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3739D661 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:30:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id t4so11144889pgc.1 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 01:30:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+WZWZ1mef6RSrjL+yLvqWUS8SLtwJMGHkulYlgTGmb8=; b=kNbv6t5Pf57kfR6rWaYaGw+vv04Q5LdM/oIdmX8qIhKdoy9DsUz2bXpwthJbom+MG7 nZFTZym3vEYk/a3AkncmhFhBLDbkEZJ+XllFJCcGlUBan27nmOka0CF/q9dbICLbaqbe DZpJRetUCwXkp4A3+ouNHedTb6tsk5Zb7wLYOx3KuQA+Wkjl0E20tx8ToaNHt6rWr6gJ WXDACxUY12dpm4rk5uxvTnJEWIxaPjIlALQpl6i2Ga12Unnwcoaxx9G1vfUYxlajxYLM QYsE+cPgTmJbIdqqJhbTIks9Hv227rmgOQy6UzDyxORHiAhR8Wpu9j8IkAvSlykzk5fU mTGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+WZWZ1mef6RSrjL+yLvqWUS8SLtwJMGHkulYlgTGmb8=; b=XDwpTE0yl6wCiFWmySQhyGP4HBHE6f6KrPE+ezn8DISXBZrlNPRN/c7ESZuOXBo1KX 2i82zk9ryd9/2MMlF8gpF3Rg8mqsDPZg8zUKo4LT8PK7RsJjlXg6jxo6cURyzpeQ3CLT pQkq3bVFd3uzcgNeQa575VpMTCZe6IYZMsOziK4onYtNkuavOpNay0F605xVJL0olbRk HfR1WOzEXiJKAGsHJaI1gsxxWJ/bR0ftt0HdmTlCWsREvzetJSX8m/3pI6BON7A+YFJF ssyGEGSIMMB1joQnEjYRk73N7sdP2NPTKLIn9FwBaER4QLrh7TTkZsM1z1ODUUufOQ4K sGHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KnAgHW98WTIq2UYSBUlxNYK9tgYMVBZ1V+VZE3tkNSP1z1irS l4E+3s6a6xVnizCGGkGtdiV0O3hjfX0GbfbH9a3JlVUG X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZ48ee2LYRUh9JFNSP4X4AEF1ftjJd3/nZ8fVEviDzQNdNY0gOBE4AJjf2jm/HsgbGXgvEFNYYFErkkba0jsM= X-Received: by 2002:a63:2f46:0:b0:382:230f:b155 with SMTP id v67-20020a632f46000000b00382230fb155mr1275251pgv.64.1648542603451; Tue, 29 Mar 2022 01:30:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220328210356.GA18426@minnie.tuhs.org> <97CCE4E5-0445-4EB0-8CAE-3C75BBF72CFE@iitbombay.org> <20220328232344.GC60301@eureka.lemis.com> <19FC5DAF-A4C7-4EE0-BF34-91B340910641@iitbombay.org> <11FBF445-4956-427E-8751-60BF5CA88116@serissa.com> <34e2e376-ab10-7125-ef0b-a28538e58d73@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: <34e2e376-ab10-7125-ef0b-a28538e58d73@technologists.com> From: Rob Pike Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2022 19:29:52 +1100 Message-ID: To: "Charles H Sauer (he/him)" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I used SOS a bit, but did anyone use Stopgap itself, or only its son? -rob On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:55 AM Charles H Sauer (he/him) wrote: > > Aaah, just what we need, an editor discussion. > > My first hands on experience was with PC/IX on an XT. ISC provided INed, > which I was told was based on the Rand Editor. INed was a gentle > transition from using XEDIT on VM/370, so I was comfortable with INed. > > But one of my Unix mentors persuaded me to use vi, and that has been my > preferred editor since roughly 1985, assuming you count Vim as vi, since > I mostly use Vim on Linux, Windows and macOS, only occasionally using > real vi. > > Charlie > > On 3/28/2022 7:31 PM, Lawrence Stewart wrote: > > At the Stanford Information Systems Lab while I was there 1976-81, we h= ad a series of PDP-11s. The first one I remember was an 11/34 running V6 an= d later V7. It was later upgraded to, I think a /45 and finally a /70. > > > > At first everyone used ed, then Prof. John Gill hacked it to add a comm= and, I think =E2=80=98%=E2=80=99 that was the equivalent of .-10,.+10p whic= h on our 9600 baud Hazeltine=E2=80=99s was a glimpse of the future. > > > > At some point we got ex/vi, but before that we got the =E2=80=9CRand Ed= itor=E2=80=9D re, which was a perfectly > > functional screen editor, if you squinted a bit. > > > > Does anyone here know the place of re in the history? > > > > Later, Gill went off for a sabbatical at Yorktown Heights and came back= to complain about having > > to use SOS on the mainframe. He reported, however, that global search = and replace was very fast. > > > > -L > > > > Also a few years later I got Dave Conroy=E2=80=99s version of microemac= s. I complained about the key bindings and he told me to use the =E2=80=9C= change configuration=E2=80=9D command, or cc. > > > > -- > voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com > fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Twitter: CharlesHSauer