From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6747 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2023 20:45:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Jan 2023 20:45:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA708424B5; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 06:45:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f48.google.com (mail-vs1-f48.google.com [209.85.217.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 861A1424A9 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2023 06:45:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f48.google.com with SMTP id y8so3301840vsq.0 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:45:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bRWcULlgHRctsawORHg34JgRxjcmcOTPXU/+lfaaAkA=; b=mu/1c1vCXbG9qBEo75SJHZolqnzyHI7iFhgOwDoDHKBRhvU2nzqiMnhqV4QbsBWv0N rv2DFFeA4PGZZ37MHeIsFmMso+QEAeyZlYGvccjOCYktM4yATmBSW9nE0epzZx3cMjLy T22kE6pYZ4vtlTYBUgTg/uJkkbiSKnBB6RqSAS/+ZgqNYbNufEOESj3VxzWeHnGNuCHf yFH9VOObwYUOgBCyp5MLtumtgozTXDi4yxrDShP6ci90NBrhuLkr6XD3uentrXMSG67P BsCTqWYBnjrRpu0BfafzUgUiy01S1f3RQpUII/cPBuAwIARjo+eD97waKkNDk6iiYsde PJfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=bRWcULlgHRctsawORHg34JgRxjcmcOTPXU/+lfaaAkA=; b=X0/DpCLoMF9gqWvlik+eSBP3Vq2l5zXG/zYkL2kVBD++2RS514rP+uS8dSPZIJC6rb qQ5FrZHY5XghlAvdJ5bEzv99EWNvq7ztbu4rBsTfr+cUCVHU7A+7rox8e6BJSyyb4xJb 7Npn+LqErT0vYkM/8uY2cvGJQZVpxs3t5bNguvIJwzyp/UdGlkuzsGhoofJQIPQl8tlN JdWqt+QiHWNBkKvZxOe/D/d+9fVGJoLXibI3Spn3nC1nQyUxkOZPndWvizBR5qyaAVZN rlCwimtmwQbRx3qr3+rEXLSSB8QQlB+KkKUgXe7ZC1KotEee4LdrDQd/F8TuO+HCmklT pYVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVqI6bEWEqPErEZbjxmNZdg4oKCcTP2P12DhQuV4aTsfIOqrcoA WwnHk7DzhOWI/KqaTOg3WbesYR9IKvkYL8XxZ8I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+/KchM6PIYgwsW9zHAcQL66CEtfrQ9HCNeU365AjflWtXM16upxucgJ3mB30yc/oto/3DZvp5DBnIL6ZLZ7N4= X-Received: by 2002:a67:c80c:0:b0:3ec:2a27:ade with SMTP id u12-20020a67c80c000000b003ec2a270ademr261976vsk.19.1674765871439; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:44:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0C5D8AF8-BAB2-48B5-854B-34E3A949DE50@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: <0C5D8AF8-BAB2-48B5-854B-34E3A949DE50@planet.nl> From: Rob Pike Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2023 07:44:20 +1100 Message-ID: To: Paul Ruizendaal Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d9667805f330d0ee" Message-ID-Hash: 3CCYAYK3NYV3ZRQB7SORDX6FJZSTZKU7 X-Message-ID-Hash: 3CCYAYK3NYV3ZRQB7SORDX6FJZSTZKU7 X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Earliest UNIX Workstations? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000d9667805f330d0ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There was also all the work with the Three Rivers Graphic Wonder on the PDP-11/45 at the University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project from 1974 onwards, as well as various film plotters, Versatec, Tennenhouse's frame buffer, and so on. -rob On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 2:58 AM Paul Ruizendaal wrote: > > As a result of the recent discussion on this list I=E2=80=99m trying to u= nderstand > the timeline of graphical computing on Unix, first of all in my preferred > time slot =E2=80=9975 -=E2=80=9985. > > When it comes to Bell Labs I=E2=80=99m aware of the following: > > - around 1975 the Labs worked on the Glance-G vector graphics terminal. > This was TSS-516 based with no Unix overlap I think. > - around the same time the Labs seem to have used the 1973 Dec VT11 vecto= r > graphics terminal; at least the surviving LSX Unix source has a driver fo= r > it > - in 1976 there was the Terak 8510; this ran primarily USCD pascal, but i= t > also ran LSX and/or MX (but maybe only much later) > - then it seems to jump 1981 and to the Blit. > - in 1984 there was MGR that was done at Bellcore > > Outside of the labs (but on Unix), I have: > > - I am not sure what graphics software ran on the SUN-1, but it must have > been something > - Clem just mentioned the 1981 Tektronix Magnolia system > - Wikipedia says that X1 was 1984 and X11 was 1987; I=E2=80=99m not sure = when it > became Unix centered > - Sun=E2=80=99s NeWS arrived only in 1989, I think? > > Outside of Unix, in the microcomputer world there was a lot of cheap(er) > graphics hardware. Lot=E2=80=99s of stuff at 256 x 192 resolution, but up= to 512 x > 512 at the higher end. John Walker writes that the breakout product for > Autodesk was Interact (the precursor to AutoCAD). Initially developed for > S-100 bus systems it quickly moved to the PC. There was a lot of demand f= or > CAD at a 5K price point that did not exist at a 50K price point. > > > > > > --000000000000d9667805f330d0ee Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There was also all the work with the Three Rivers Graphic Wonder = on the PDP-11/45 at the University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project from= 1974 onwards, as well as various film plotters, Versatec, Tennenhouse'= s frame buffer, and so on.=C2=A0

-rob


On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 2:58= AM Paul Ruizendaal <pnr@planet.nl&= gt; wrote:

As a result of the recent discussion on this list I=E2=80=99m trying to und= erstand the timeline of graphical computing on Unix, first of all in my pre= ferred time slot =E2=80=9975 -=E2=80=9985.

When it comes to Bell Labs I=E2=80=99m aware of the following:

- around 1975 the Labs worked on the Glance-G vector graphics terminal. Thi= s was TSS-516 based with no Unix overlap I think.
- around the same time the Labs seem to have used the 1973 Dec VT11 vector = graphics terminal; at least the surviving LSX Unix source has a driver for = it
- in 1976 there was the Terak 8510; this ran primarily USCD pascal, but it = also ran LSX and/or MX (but maybe only much later)
- then it seems to jump 1981 and to the Blit.
- in 1984 there was MGR that was done at Bellcore

Outside of the labs (but on Unix), I have:

- I am not sure what graphics software ran on the SUN-1, but it must have b= een something
- Clem just mentioned the 1981 Tektronix Magnolia system
- Wikipedia says that X1 was 1984 and X11 was 1987; I=E2=80=99m not sure wh= en it became Unix centered
- Sun=E2=80=99s NeWS arrived only in 1989, I think?

Outside of Unix, in the microcomputer world there was a lot of cheap(er) gr= aphics hardware. Lot=E2=80=99s of stuff at 256 x 192 resolution, but up to = 512 x 512 at the higher end. John Walker writes that the breakout product f= or Autodesk was Interact (the precursor to AutoCAD). Initially developed fo= r S-100 bus systems it quickly moved to the PC. There was a lot of demand f= or CAD at a 5K price point that did not exist at a 50K price point.





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