From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15664 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2022 23:06:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jun 2022 23:06:45 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1059E40770; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:06:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa33.google.com (mail-vk1-xa33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a33]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E78040732 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:06:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa33.google.com with SMTP id m30so1276278vkf.11 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:06:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JFfONe6vB11+RkHjBelJIRrMExm+1fSdbgGI+2CkYRI=; b=Z5jKMeXqrKgHPnTVBqgnM4kjTHOd5M0AonwrSK5f+DFskbPJKOQMkm/1/LTxfZar6q u37x5V4DEuem9DcIj04Lgwcy8l99ZiDprwLP85wkHtjX5WP0XZEe0Sfip8wHkUEaOKXh yvFDOYEvL+vXyPKLHz5HPTvdyyeM0s+bP7ZIA82ITRHexUms6tluTl1W2A7zMNpx3gnT F1bXUD9lvHVXIoQv6d5iZr9/dxRqwSBozXbmhpsgKNOo5BEP+NCgDA/ujCv7E+qmHTjQ +oAQiJMYFrLpZxM2kG3R2DSZglW7KU+xIhOs/Z0MjcZJxTC7LDVN5h1eNsN17I8YqzoX FQ6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JFfONe6vB11+RkHjBelJIRrMExm+1fSdbgGI+2CkYRI=; b=Xyc900DEnnESLI+Aj0n82cF47UZdEBsOKsRpsOCuWMqEKsYd+akUMp5VzbDssrMUBC cwwbqj2243YzRyF0OgNn7SuYWTittvoya7FpkURoQg3iJgzYk2K/0SedZ/zVgVBt+Yc9 T3tQyxMDsi4mERe3i5b2aTYjGf8VWiFzR/XEvGeJm0cbqt5RqvqwMhIFZdst+Pzqyg/k 0RAHX4gQRcCtzOJIiueLmXI7yKzIEsadRFG+i5/jv4/jzl5f4bpolYGKX3EEA2Amm3zU VYJqTiX4tP6hQMJF0xoNCsSgEz1hrdbjWtxMUuiBUZoJ9bKibkoOh2Iwpwbn91Xp+Ww/ LB2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora/1izYC23yvVkY1DpQ+tW4M1Fo+2ePWxi+32Scc3z+MGxD1v0R5 b++F1cg6P8J8N4FCQVfJgXS48tXs8YLj7NoVQuSK7egUFu4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uJSytX3IfvIXLOwJq2RGxmEGYcfZ6vfV1JdNlZww6kj9IqInb9anV1Wn1xlv0daSGe8aYbFxIQuQZSDJZSewI= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:a810:0:b0:35e:5a34:d969 with SMTP id r16-20020a1fa810000000b0035e5a34d969mr3312745vke.29.1655420787304; Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:06:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Pike Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 09:06:16 +1000 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb2c2c05e198af7b" Message-ID-Hash: ZKT3SJI4U7BMK4REGILGTDC7O4OVT26Z X-Message-ID-Hash: ZKT3SJI4U7BMK4REGILGTDC7O4OVT26Z X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] forgotten versions List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000fb2c2c05e198af7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Excited as I was to see this history of Unix code in a single repository: https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo it continues the long-standing tradition of ignoring all the work done at Bell Labs after v7. I consider v8 v9 v10 to be worth of attention, even influential, but to hear this list talk about it - or discussions just about anywhere else - you'd think they never existed. There are exceptions, but this site does reinforce the broadly known version of the story. It's doubly ironic for me because people often mistakenly credit me for working on Unix, but I landed at the Labs after v7 was long dispatched. At the Labs, I first worked on what became v8. I suppose it's because the history flowed as this site shows, with BSD being the driving force for a number of reasons, but it feels to me that a large piece of Unix history has been sidelined. I know it's a whiny lament, but those neglected systems had interesting advances. -rob --000000000000fb2c2c05e198af7b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excited as I was to see this history of Unix code in a sin= gle repository:


it continues the long-standing = tradition of ignoring all the work done at Bell Labs after v7. I consider v= 8 v9 v10 to be worth of attention, even influential, but to hear this list = talk about it - or discussions just about anywhere else - you'd think t= hey never existed. There are exceptions, but this site does reinforce the b= roadly known version of the story.

It's doubly= ironic for me because people often mistakenly credit me for working on Uni= x, but I landed at the Labs after v7 was long dispatched. At the Labs, I fi= rst worked on what became v8.

I suppose it's b= ecause the history flowed as this site shows, with BSD being the driving fo= rce for a number of reasons, but it feels to me that a large piece of Unix = history has been sidelined.

I know it's a whin= y lament, but those neglected systems had interesting advances.

-rob

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