From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3857 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2023 03:18:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Aug 2023 03:18:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEBE40FFE; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:18:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe32.google.com (mail-vs1-xe32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e32]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D776440FE6 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:18:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe32.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4476a2a5bc9so208613137.2 for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 20:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691637527; x=1692242327; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Am4fAzNB1v2u704RoYN0J2lj9YvXgoljHWpEFxVpR8w=; b=BYn6YXwsN/CjpQzNFVm1YmYJRhannhTlw84SGpAFw+T0Gw9h/e+qMPIFyWeoCm9+02 4j6OSRR5hWxSGFAqCdFASlY0V0lES9MGsdUyPr/GimxAZ4k89tUsGeKdAtS64L6gZ4Ve 1/CZld4PMqsSmIg6Mr6Kk3+SItrv1bI5Icm6dIi2j3HIY10LOMHgAD2/b+8NPDstHt5S A3npYJjbP2g0TBEx9nRsSlJF+FeRUv6xPFdXed7B3Ttgsz+GFeayZalgXi97g9jAhnHR xfjbfIoAWDGGAOb559Z3+PPB66QOO+OIrBneu8VqXnKr6MehqY1vlIucKioEYjmEthqG dOsg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691637527; x=1692242327; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Am4fAzNB1v2u704RoYN0J2lj9YvXgoljHWpEFxVpR8w=; b=RnpU9cZsGB6PqFIymxAw53/Sp5U8w5Fnn3EwoxSTqoOnktZeJCQLzIIIUWUgePex0E tCbj/uBs3+fEfdU8C7JBIO0WkBVtV0KIWLAuEvlFzNmbHoCb5eI+mEDhPC0cnVPkbMFG By1PSkntweSSQx/T7tuy+CrZpjDkRHtYYB/nLkGeQCiEY7I6Q2LTgw16J1NPebpIAr2N x4sthTwgu3s1dSBEKq7Ii5ig0Laz2ToNU5MMtx3OYpFErkOwJYpQm3hrxcHnNmsX9zaI xJmWIwyhFDCWROSx9Y/8TOVQPOclcbhd9Q3U24LDHFoOjvs+GYE+i0ecXv6y1a6MYMPj bo0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyD/UFQGTRwed4c+syW+J8yQKoN9znrPfiC4ku213DnGUhLXu37 WIkEwzCjP7ouB2WukKWZI3IydJkJDEIDRTC0F7w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG7PTLnQ3MG/i+pTlq2vqSYuNXfNKY3cVIdWWz5R6he8bkZcMZJ/Kl0ohJA872i90QjucyLTordd0gSO9bwoio= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f810:0:b0:443:a4d2:86b9 with SMTP id l16-20020a67f810000000b00443a4d286b9mr827445vso.0.1691637527665; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 20:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230810010940.9B3C635E102@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:18:36 +1000 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ecdff60602890d0e" Message-ID-Hash: QDNZMNQTZQ6APRDNVNFWHJ4LJH2XSRDZ X-Message-ID-Hash: QDNZMNQTZQ6APRDNVNFWHJ4LJH2XSRDZ X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: when did v8 or later get networking? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000ecdff60602890d0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable STREAMS was the Unix support group's shouty adaptation. The V8 one that dmr put together was the gentler dulcet-toned Streams. Seriously, no one could figure out why they wanted to yell. -rob On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote= : > > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 8:38 PM segaloco via TUHS wrote: > >> > TCP/IP, not datakit. >> >> The V8 manual contains internet(3), tcp(3), and udp(3). In the copy I >> have these are dated 8/7/85. Down in the kernel in /usr/sys/inet the >> earliest files appear to be dated 3/22/85. I'm going to do a comparison >> with the 4.1cBSD TCP/IP stuff because a casual glance reveals some overl= ap. >> > > Yea, I thought it was 4.1bsd + later tcp code but with a STREAMS instead > of Socket interface... > > Warner > > - Matt G. >> > --000000000000ecdff60602890d0e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
STREAMS was the Unix support group's shouty adaptation. The V= 8 one that dmr put together was the gentler dulcet-toned Streams.

<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">Seriousl= y, no one could figure out why they wanted to yell.

-rob

<= br>
On Thu,= Aug 10, 2023 at 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:


On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 8:38 PM se= galoco via TUHS <tuhs= @tuhs.org> wrote:
> TCP/IP, not datakit.

The V8 manual contains internet(3), tcp(3), and udp(3).=C2=A0 In the copy I= have these are dated 8/7/85.=C2=A0 Down in the kernel in /usr/sys/inet the= earliest files appear to be dated 3/22/85.=C2=A0 I'm going to do a com= parison with the 4.1cBSD TCP/IP stuff because a casual glance reveals some = overlap.

Yea, I thought it was 4.1bsd + later tcp code but with a STREAMS = instead of Socket interface...

Warner=C2=A0

- Matt G.
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