From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD8F279F2 for ; Sun, 26 May 2024 01:06:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4D843AFC; Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-x102c.google.com (mail-pj1-x102c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::102c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D1E043AFA for ; Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-x102c.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2bf5e177ebdso1711275a91.1 for ; Sat, 25 May 2024 16:06:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1716678397; x=1717283197; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=1UJ9rn882ykkgwLTFMipH6C/RdkI5NsmnLVc3O3gxok=; b=PktLw2/JY4vfn5CqIuxQlpXmMT0oo8zmtndds7WVgPvc1lgecXesmbadbOXCjhfghj VZp/4yHFPOghzY92TCJJUhGz5rd0gxoQqVHvw1uf4u9/OoqHw81p6OYKWrQUw3aBK7Cl KDFviUDBV21/j44XGWnTv7R9CGtnd6041wahoFfPhhKE7EcBjwvJ0U40t+od71zAeHgy gnm0PNkEk/JvwcJ+DWVPH7m9kwN6rvqfwTQ1nsgRycr+9P01EjjXMsjBaYlW9HZxmf7m MIzOX18IrUH80jfky0usJp/90wVi2uaqUul7Qe/XLscHocUfVjBggu3/IWhswJ7M4lVz q6uQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1716678397; x=1717283197; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=1UJ9rn882ykkgwLTFMipH6C/RdkI5NsmnLVc3O3gxok=; b=JH7HCK4tYywPyByedVjNyMvPX+MahAvXQ56odoYEzjwqWBriTJajI4vCpPBdeYIpbk 9gGAi1QApassJJPSpW6jO/l5q9GcMxVj7DA/X3gmkQJ1poHND1eG3Fh4+x9a/kaJC5AE rKHEwZ0copm7d/4C8peiTNn9ugaMVZVzbFJ2fNk3Qd5dMG/Pdz5BgG1B6OnQWDuuxga5 ItEghosimMvsTsPadQYa16g6TTEVxbdO/vvNGWo9nm823UKDwdD9dHJzcTn3IjTEE9N5 OS/Oc1wXhjFP14uFNLSqcCR5rJgLAKIcKbUENvN7aqG4LOB1Rxqx+klhhW6OOVMO9AmJ jQPg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWR2F/SjX1FPj3JhSsJgsrmuOQCa/FsUYU7wSzTo1G8IQK2FTvjmId3sBunaJ/ZByfr/Ga1mBzJZ8kA7mEw X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxylAaQZNex/Ppd1oHgWkJZEbCJX1i3L/BiPq6QAThQh1ipruo/ 8vOCLyQwj5HCY59s42uO5BnfJxNoOAUeHeSwi/t9iMcW375xGhPR3qxMRNf4o5CcURZthcsedt+ JwmsDAB7Kd1p9qCG3tXO9DreY2QmiPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF7yBQKxWaG8QBXtr2z05TdWGBGfYy7HlCeCGs82npnwpkQ1xS19N6aHwx/VvF6aIv/ioL2IG0MRQr3v8/7XFI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:be0b:b0:2b6:c4d7:fc31 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2bf5f719ce5mr5949259a91.40.1716678396624; Sat, 25 May 2024 16:06:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240525000348.hq5zvwm6x4evl44h@illithid> In-Reply-To: From: Rob Pike Date: Sun, 26 May 2024 09:06:25 +1000 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000006572406194f56dd" Message-ID-Hash: RINFDUHYL4BTG2SYP4NQVWKP2YXRB72X X-Message-ID-Hash: RINFDUHYL4BTG2SYP4NQVWKP2YXRB72X X-MailFrom: robpike@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Jonathan Gray , tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Was curses ported to Seventh Edition Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000006572406194f56dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me of my typesetting story (search the list's archives for versatec and vegents, that should find it.) -rob On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 10:17=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > Oh how I hate history rewrites. Job control was developed by Kulp on V7 > in Europe and MIT. Joy saw it and added it what would become 4BSD. > > The others were all developed on V7 (PDP11)at UCB. They were not back > ported either. The vax work inherited them from V7. > > It is true, The public tended to see these as 4BSD features as that was > the vehicle that got larger distribution. > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual > > > On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6:49=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray wro= te: > >> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 07:03:48PM -0500, G. Branden Robinson wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the question in >> > the subject line. >> > >> > Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to >> > documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7? >> >> "In particular, the C shell, curses, termcap, vi and job control were >> ported back to Version 7 (and later System III) so that it was not >> unusual to find these features on otherwise pure Bell releases." >> from Documentation/Books/Life_with_Unix_v2.pdf >> >> in some v7ish distributions: unisoft, xenix, nu machine, venix? >> >> https://bitsavers.org/pdf/codata/Unisoft_UNIX_Vol_1_Aug82.pdf pg 437 >> >> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_codataUnis_28082791/page/n435/mode= /2up >> >> >> https://bitsavers.org/pdf/forwardTechnology/xenix/Xenix_System_Volume_2_= Software_Development_1982.pdf >> pg 580 >> >> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_forwardTecstemVolume2SoftwareDevel= opment1982_27714599/page/n579/mode/2up >> >> https://bitsavers.org/pdf/lmi/LMI_Docs/UNIX_1.pdf pg 412 >> >> https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_lmiLMIDocs_20873181/page/n411/mode= /2up >> > --00000000000006572406194f56dd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reminds me of my typesetting story (search the list's archive= s for versatec and vegents, that should find it.)

-rob


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, May= 25, 2024 at 10:17=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Oh how I hate history rewrites.=C2=A0 Job = control was developed by Kulp on V7 in Europe and MIT.=C2=A0 Joy saw it and= added it what would become 4BSD. =C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"auto">The others were all developed on V7 (PDP11)at UCB.=C2=A0 T= hey were not back ported either. The vax work inherited them from V7.=C2=A0=

It is true, The public = tended to see these as 4BSD features as that was the vehicle that got large= r distribution. =C2=A0

Sent from a handheld expect mor= e typos than usual


On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 6= :49=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray <jsg@jsg.id.au> wrote:
On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 07:03:48PM -0500, G. Branden = Robinson wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm finding it difficult to find any direct sources on the questio= n in
> the subject line.
>
> Does anyone here have any source material they can point me to
> documenting the existence of a port of BSD curses to Unix Version 7?
"In particular, the C shell, curses, termcap, vi and job control were<= br> ported back to Version 7 (and later System III) so that it was not
unusual to find these features on otherwise pure Bell releases."
from Documentation/Books/Life_with_Unix_v2.pdf

in some v7ish distributions: unisoft, xenix, nu machine, venix?

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/codata/Unisof= t_UNIX_Vol_1_Aug82.pdf pg 437
https://archive.org/deta= ils/bitsavers_codataUnis_28082791/page/n435/mode/2up

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/forwardTechnology/xenix/Xenix_System_Volume_2_So= ftware_Development_1982.pdf pg 580
https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_forwardTecstemVolume2Soft= wareDevelopment1982_27714599/page/n579/mode/2up

https://bitsavers.org/pdf/lmi/LMI_Docs/UNIX_1.pdf pg 412
https://archive.org/deta= ils/bitsavers_lmiLMIDocs_20873181/page/n411/mode/2up
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