From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31066 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2022 15:31:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Dec 2022 15:31:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA7B42405; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 01:30:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f43.google.com (mail-oa1-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB08D41C38 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2022 01:30:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f43.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1443a16b71cso15707079fac.13 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 07:30:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:sender :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=0k6FWvHdH69DqN7+c4eWfTDpXNElyMsy/5XXVfY121k=; b=kFCWM+PpTYJQWhukdQe0TaMyzdDIFiIN+5swhP6QpVYzChRZhuCbAAZ4+TsPiB6jD7 p4FOojGU2O40HUwK9VPT/+7YwvqrjawYDslUEcab85nFbf6aju6yMSB6w4aJWQ5Fw1iB Br7pgbvkntq7zGzc+t0ULNL9NECqea7l2yhwmKs0NUFtT2+ho+gc/khOXFcsAxMwYJBr JyS2sIQnp6YWC0eBfY6Hl7GS/8P8tkNhNzkrQ1ijggmYosAzTTHMBe3lBks5Lx0ZbgmP 4uWyqO0Rr5mvi8Hay2DfgemCmgKJCmcpM8LHLOc+6g96y8Dl4q4wRuTa73BysIU6sfU6 2S5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:sender :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=0k6FWvHdH69DqN7+c4eWfTDpXNElyMsy/5XXVfY121k=; b=1THAPm4D8UXN7zZG8YqyIk4crCaBQTqYhhVYk6hwJXth6tEQ1skLU6tc+SbpUwVCif /tIT8eaI9Z0EeWQUoUMKJmKuKCozYr8GnoH3i7GhMkCjKqg/5pKCmS+u6rc7R/bo8ivL tE1AkgU6nvJ21qtGSeJOBE0/bxqB1gtbJMTrW5ds5ZYSSfViw6qGd/zahxiUgrP7JUmL iYef9fnotBQVEuLjY5+280h4SlMVupd4LJlZt+a+hYwci6JqmOlDKqzAuhVi4ogSWztO c36FrFvHbejsdVdXPEgupmWTFYDa1CkW8/LR1ycaQp0eP3V20VWZqchcRBHH4MSYsqng GOHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpYKTeIBGlmPtoj5W3MSAPEjs1J3nRRKlyagb5kG0ycHn1a+UGH Y07uyW5Risw6MXMyPu/wfGxiHPTARqVqa1oUKzJk6SiI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtee8hWiMIkpcYqk/OGifURkJrmQiYKXGtRnnHQrEEtIYpVss0v1jMVuiTIqqtiYacQLmTvRVBvznr8KUMm5sA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:bac5:b0:144:e112:dde5 with SMTP id js5-20020a056870bac500b00144e112dde5mr1530841oab.62.1671550161897; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 07:29:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: andy.kosela@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a05:6358:3403:b0:df:7139:3fcd with HTTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 07:29:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4942C729-FCE2-4075-9B1B-08CB7FC33813@gmail.com> References: <20221220013323.GL4401@mcvoy.com> <4942C729-FCE2-4075-9B1B-08CB7FC33813@gmail.com> From: Andy Kosela Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:29:21 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YV9R2FukDYbdI8mLm1_sxbDkyyw Message-ID: To: Adam Thornton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009fce1305f0441961" Message-ID-Hash: TKN4H22L44TIWJYO5VFIKLZV2ZID64NL X-Message-ID-Hash: TKN4H22L44TIWJYO5VFIKLZV2ZID64NL X-MailFrom: andy.kosela@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX on (not quite bare) System/370 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000009fce1305f0441961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, Adam Thornton wrote: > I mean, just a Unix, without all the cruft of a modern Linux, but which > can actually take advantage of the resources of a modern machine. I don't > care about a desktop, or even a graphical environment, I don't care about > all the strange syscalls that are there to support particular databases, I > don't care much about being a virtualization host. But then...what would the purpose of such a system? A mini-Unix just to run vi(1) or text based game? If you want to run retro games there are much better retro platforms for that, e.g. I do not need a Unix machine if I want to run MS-DOS era games. I prefer period correct hardware and software. If you want a modern Unix for production systems, then most of the real world modern workloads are run in Kubernetes which is a very Linux orientated technology anyway. It appears to me there is really no need for such a modern mini-Unix system outside of hard core O/S theorists community. There are already a myriad of similar projects like Alan Cox's Fuzix OS which can run e.g. on Amiga, but it will not play Centurion or Another World anytime soon anyway. --Andy --0000000000009fce1305f0441961 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean, just a Unix, without all the cruft of a mo= dern Linux, but which can actually take advantage of the resources of a mod= ern machine.=C2=A0 I don't care about a desktop, or even a graphical en= vironment, I don't care about all the strange syscalls that are there t= o support particular databases, I don't care much about being a virtual= ization host.

But then...what would the pur= pose of such a system? A mini-Unix just to run vi(1) or text based game? If= you want to run retro games there are much better retro platforms for that= , e.g. I do not need a Unix machine if I want to run MS-DOS era games. I pr= efer period correct hardware and software.

If you = want a modern Unix for production systems, then most of the real world mode= rn workloads are run in Kubernetes which is a very Linux orientated technol= ogy anyway.

It appears to me there is really no ne= ed for such a modern mini-Unix system outside of hard core O/S theorists co= mmunity.

There are already a myriad of similar pro= jects like Alan Cox's Fuzix OS which can run e.g. on Amiga, but it will= not play Centurion or Another World anytime soon anyway.

--Andy
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