From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6622 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2022 07:10:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Sep 2022 07:10:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645AD40A0F; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 17:10:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ot1-f50.google.com (mail-ot1-f50.google.com [209.85.210.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BA1F40A0C for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 17:09:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ot1-f50.google.com with SMTP id j17-20020a9d7f11000000b0065a20212349so5592773otq.12 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:09:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:sender :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=p/k3n1UVF/r9G0WuXrOroWI53GWVizoVL5jYFgOIzCg=; b=Y/l3sK2Xu2b4e8pe10va/LZhXmaJcsWm5hgOrlDlWVvqxVxQvRHuO9lza08PrTvDU+ NWupIicLMbr4uIWu+nDnZ/ly5tskrvn+IRGFvcfY18iJNrn2sBle5JgxSKaCQJ4FJUjM Eu3XoQ+AjdRwry0JXC4Mcee0Vmi42El0jkxA6hkIQoz2DdrQkyrqn8K71UthiOSY7gvM oTrSTxtxJDUtVa3Lpeq0zg/GV4xDqK1JG0tfjAjm7mLFQLjT48AsA+bRZ4ldttiX/7BD j+sr0LAc+rMsXI0HgesgyzGKRwGKCAeiSG0FyLudMSPhAeJ8lmQOQXhBzxSPWF/SeNJo C8+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:sender :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=p/k3n1UVF/r9G0WuXrOroWI53GWVizoVL5jYFgOIzCg=; b=yB0uYD/LLFPXVl/FDXjgm2VzYUQDnFlxSIBKi6433A8QazqwBbIU+1oeVi3g1j5gn8 vUJk/iAEi8uWeW4pQ7aBBD8ejUS4Jo2AhyqCpKYzv1TTSu7POS+Uige25GUTB1wrvfn7 b/m9dsTHBN+KL5RXKzG/AuvtBZKdjoqt8N2rubymIDnrB1tWnGYqNDwaTMlVYuQ21wkI eJ3oaxjWQrqCql0gyYunvVzaU9VLRjZY+T5WUJRwOpuc4AjfeW/+OwzI6iXBPBeOlh5A IpS0YXUlnJMHtWWZArN3tPGgrsbAOf5OlT9888z95Os8B4vDuuGk39IaZ3hlBzF/Wepq R1VA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2JpYA09yrsmyQdjFYRNLuzczWxvbQ+koc1NRks2dahzmo2Kjl0 klBo4vC3zm9VuMdDZWcdw1mvcPAWbDW7Sha5A8M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM40iCZyBwdc1oA6oG9sD4geBnLOWXThQA11C42WBp1q3ooxdF5J2bTmB3WvkOKO0Yetie/42BOXKjly+6QdWmo= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:da6:0:b0:655:dd4e:7afc with SMTP id 35-20020a9d0da6000000b00655dd4e7afcmr908294ots.339.1663830535948; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: andy.kosela@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a05:6358:490e:b0:b5:ae95:68b5 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <202209212149.28LLnV1J032395@ultimate.com> From: Andy Kosela Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 09:08:55 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 12AhOqqkz288Vb_BsApU50wYVPQ Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000fd03b05e93ebc6b" Message-ID-Hash: 54AMWSP6WNTYCN2IAROC3CJ5MDRARFDP X-Message-ID-Hash: 54AMWSP6WNTYCN2IAROC3CJ5MDRARFDP X-MailFrom: andy.kosela@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: "tuhs@tuhs.org" X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Early BSD license thread List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000fd03b05e93ebc6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thursday, September 22, 2022, Dan Cross wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 5:50 PM Phil Budne wrote: > > Not to excuse the failure of the BSD team to properly attribute source > > origin by adding only their copyright notice, but didn't AT&T try > > unfair turnabout by not properly attributing the origins of their > > TCP/IP code? > > One of my favorite copyright notices was for /bin/true in System V. > An empty file got turned into 7 lines of comments holding copyright > boilerplate and an `#ident` line with an SCCS version number: > progress! > > That reminds me of the excellent dissertation of Gerald Holzmann on Code Inflation[1]. The situation is even worse now and honestly I don't see it will improve in the future. My take on the code inflation problem is that today without paid "volunteers" (from IBM, Oracle, Google, etc.) a large chunk of our modern software landscape would just collapse. It is not 90s Internet anymore where hobbyists did it for fun, because frankly back then it was fun... Nowadays... not that much. --Andy --0000000000000fd03b05e93ebc6b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, September 22, 2022, Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 5:50 PM Phil Budne <phil@ultimate.com> wrote= :
> Not to excuse the failure of the BSD team to properly attribute source=
> origin by adding only their copyright notice, but didn't AT&T = try
> unfair turnabout by not properly attributing the origins of their
> TCP/IP code?

One of my favorite copyright notices was for /bin/true in System V.
An empty file got turned into 7 lines of comments holding copyright
boilerplate and an `#ident` line with an SCCS version number:
progress!


That reminds me of the excellent dissertat= ion of =C2=A0Gerald Holzmann on Code Inflation[1].=C2=A0 The situation is e= ven worse now and honestly I don't see it will improve in the future.= =C2=A0 My take on the code inflation problem is that today without paid &qu= ot;volunteers" (from IBM, Oracle, Google, etc.) a large chunk of our m= odern software landscape would just collapse.=C2=A0 It is not 90s Internet = anymore where hobbyists did it for fun, because frankly back then it was fu= n... Nowadays... not that much.

--Andy
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