From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12597 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2021 07:47:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Feb 2021 07:47:26 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4C0729C8EC; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:47:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF5F9C893; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:46:56 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="EWsDBZkG"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 809C39C893; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:46:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f43.google.com (mail-wm1-f43.google.com [209.85.128.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C9C59C0A7 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:46:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f43.google.com with SMTP id l12so2228557wmq.2 for ; Wed, 03 Feb 2021 23:46:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=mAWDreAC+LdFYb3fyzk3cFYco6anRgo+EGAvy4AlzoA=; b=EWsDBZkG2eQcA004E9bFK+/gjJrtTDVzbhGpt7jd13LNMVyP2u1NTurOYwxhW08PoK /LmzDO3SWM0lG3wh/MG489vltNK1rfHF1TvXgq0P9Rb3QL+E+mGfysIpfVtIbfkDbMko sZbAbWH85milBxrfhBoO+T7hdiirCy/fnVwEhRn8b3kk2uQ9tmnrSOXLO85nj9eNYHlm 1b0HK/xrfC1Y08hLMIh1bmCIkIpzOhOLY+FxjczMSismUHViOO31McK8zDnKwp7F4nPb YQvK7lE31VtdV/X7eaQjmygdLAoS/lcZchhxE0HLC7eFaAyr7+xg/1MynQrseT2fU3rZ I90A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mAWDreAC+LdFYb3fyzk3cFYco6anRgo+EGAvy4AlzoA=; b=l2RcGmyi9JiMh/QGv9Y/McIFz95+zzBRyqi0oReDxPyBwtcL4viHmSp3MwlUb+GTZq 65etV43okhCmp8lrIpUi9kNWLbdyWB/pgb7vFiuO3N4tN/KQF/F0lsDB0XDMFB49dSwR cyF6gAHM7HiyZZ7YGnFQPNNTMrYgrCbuc/JtSzVkmzduRDlEU+OI1klX8Ox6Xiu7ZAnd cpDKicEzmZ5qQn9abvs4mNvhlLAdwNLbBxdLPLAAlNxOFxem09xT8qiC65lyTyvPZcyL 9v3fi1E1ng86We9fQZO/UoemTHC/RjY+qMMN7wDjLfNP5PPF9/N5DGh/ND4o+QI3jeNg T7Sg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532IByWrDlMi3/5lRJRgUOx0UpKCfN3nqxT/MVzQQKs81tReXp/t 3JgX2+wSImlZx/ovNm2eiRh9uPsNZk8vPVURorKL8NTVrQ8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyycJUrsK1vk3CLD+EYpBbaNkX5KbKMRwotfdrXTiNqpxo9Plr6pCj2RYeMvhbBsUlKtJG7GjMOTFcJdLjsoX4= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:b1c3:: with SMTP id a186mr6254515wmf.8.1612424808572; Wed, 03 Feb 2021 23:46:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:d846:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:46:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <202101301950.10UJoWeA456408@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <20210130222854.GN4227@mcvoy.com> <20210130231119.GA33905@eureka.lemis.com> <20210131022500.GU4227@mcvoy.com> From: Andy Kosela Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 08:46:47 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eZmuYZ83h94YBv5FLbYnBRE2hB0 Message-ID: To: Angus Robinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] FreeBSD behind the times? (was: Favorite unix design principles?) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 2/4/21, Angus Robinson wrote: > it's for the server environment and it works extremely well. > Well...20 years ago it was a catchy phrase when FreeBSD was still in stiff competition with Linux. Now 20 years later we all see who won the Unix server wars. Literally every corporate entity is using some form of commercial Red Hat Enterprise Linux now. It is running everywhere. There are some individual companies that still utilizes FreeBSD like Netflix, but the overall majority of server systems are based on Linux. I am not saying it is better; I am just pointing out the facts. I generally despise all modern Unix: be it Linux with systemd or FreeBSD as being too bloated and complex. My personal opinion is that Linux peaked around late 90s-early/mid 2000s. It was still pretty logical and simple, but excelled in performance. It went downhill since then... --Andy