From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ff89e965 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 01:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AEF74A1E2D; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:28:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B16A1AFD; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:28:42 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b=NoH+0v9A; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 70A0BA1AFD; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:28:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wm1-f43.google.com (mail-wm1-f43.google.com [209.85.128.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 245B7A1AFC for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2018 11:28:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wm1-f43.google.com with SMTP id 189-v6so4939190wmw.2 for ; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 18:28:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=MebUvsZwXPiRbYsEFbUcn4mUeQR03LFyehHBpghVnnU=; b=NoH+0v9AiJ4/Oj0ukGp+OlvIlFezm0IrL9V8VGEVqMguU6EWSP+coVs5NszmyuCgN4 6llB8Zmy32T4LZL0+FPFmD2OMV2e8/vRxbv75XL5tPFiAmHIlv1QPU4umS7AraAGNJyp sdQI8ABB09BivZ41Pe+41kvLeqXDR0/vFj5ytxLj2sQxySrrEUACzlqGwzli0iBsma1x AGPuw7H1rz2z+gzpX2iY9jFYu+OOLnltM0qyzVQd60qi7w2P7uJqT2RMMXjNo9Gnvigg tp5AL66xSO0mE3/O+lfHOYXEvfCgm7TVxwQoWjPWoZNUWpXYa49HNwdAb50Z5XYoE7B1 wLbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MebUvsZwXPiRbYsEFbUcn4mUeQR03LFyehHBpghVnnU=; b=Fwob1tL3SRLG9QW2qUNar7cAEQyxdorC/vSFNWk86Icg21sS566ItxLDh8bxrIGlFv tuNKYK59l6gdQViAqHN8Jw09s+1KhYEUqB0cK2DbKSygITrjXZ2yL8LBX/K6a3/P3bCy 9h30kvEHy6/k155LjfcWeXTuz4HayDrs/xPrLyy33LIPdseeAmYuoLLOiVKnVzBZsRIA D3gFyJ9tNQIozASLm5Ed9YKvTY6Z+pczy6pL9it0i2uGqWfm2wyE/EiMdL9raf1ohUMK NAGanm7hL90nvcmmh1ezlRzbzpGWwovqJDyV+izI42CT3LTXOPGa2Pz9HFnR/UxuBvqe H+iA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiut9epDvHJgZaqWvChYK+8bRyOpWHUlnly0UBZg2bBrpe+aqJW Yv2Vko7ODU8ggpjwhfS/VFHzfNZhJ45V135v2hbFMA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63+c/aj119Un5aLPlrkenwUVH3tjv5mPbrGFR0KARvKdMQtqcVDGTdkezJiclX5kddI1qJ56Z5p9CWnV2TvG4s= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:48d:: with SMTP id 135-v6mr11178146wme.102.1538875717538; Sat, 06 Oct 2018 18:28:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:adf:b3d6:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 18:28:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4936B4CF-62EA-4D98-8B82-200F7D8581B4@jctaylor.com> References: <4936B4CF-62EA-4D98-8B82-200F7D8581B4@jctaylor.com> From: Andy Kosela Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 20:28:37 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YMxDhy_vEVXjTsNCw6fpCsjcwFE Message-ID: To: William Corcoran Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007f594c0577996cc6" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix source code archive in the news X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007f594c0577996cc6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, October 6, 2018, William Corcoran wrote: > Half the programmers in this world could not code themselves out of a > brown paper bag. Sounds more like a software sewer than a great work of > art. > > Bill Corcoran > Exactly my thoughts too. Code inflation[1] is a huge problem today. There was a day when one person could understand the whole UNIX kernel... now with millions of lines of code in Linux and FreeBSD I don't think this is possible anymore and definitely it is not fun. That is why you see more and more paid code in Linux -- who else would like to debug this bloated monster it became just for fun... like back in the days. Programming these days (especially in bussiness sector with projects written in C++ or Java) is not fun and I feel sorry for those poor people that must maintain such projects. We need to come back to simple and minimalistic systems, otherwise we will all be buried soon underneath terabytes of unmaintainable bloated code... --Andy [1] Code Inflation, Gerald J Holzmann https://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/issues/2015/04/mso2015020010.pdf --0000000000007f594c0577996cc6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Saturday, October 6, 2018, William Corcoran <wlc@jctaylor.com> wrote:
Half the programmers in this world could not code themselves out= of a brown paper bag.=C2=A0 Sounds more like a software sewer than a great= work of art.=C2=A0

Bill Corcoran


Exactly my thoughts too.=C2= =A0 Code inflation[1] is a huge problem today.=C2=A0 There was a day when o= ne person could understand the whole UNIX kernel... now with millions of li= nes of code in Linux and FreeBSD I don't think this is possible anymore= and definitely it is not fun.=C2=A0 That is why you see more and more paid= code in Linux -- who else would like to debug this bloated monster it beca= me just for fun... like back in the days. =C2=A0

P= rogramming these days (especially in bussiness sector with projects written= in C++ or Java) is not fun and I feel sorry for those poor people that mus= t maintain such projects.

We need to come back to = simple and minimalistic systems, otherwise we will all be buried soon under= neath terabytes of unmaintainable bloated code...

= --Andy

[1] Code Inflation, Gerald J Holzmann
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