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From: akosela@andykosela.com (Andy Kosela)
Subject: [TUHS] basic tools / Universal Unix
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 22:39:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALMnNGhAprqLTw13KVaGj=KRWWfVKiQy7cyYoYv679g=3W+jxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Monday, October 16, 2017, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Jon Steinhart <jon at fourwinds.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jon at fourwinds.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a similar and maybe even more extreme position.  When I was a
>> manager
>> I placed restrictions on the tools and customizations for members of my
>> team.
>> My goal was to make sure that any team member could go over to any other
>> team
>> member's desk and get stuff done.
>
>
> ​And I think this loops back to what started some of this threat.  The
> idea of a programmer with 'good taste.'
> Rob (and Brian) railed on BSD in cat -v considered harmful
> <http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/> and ‘*Program Design in the UNIX
> Environment*’ (pdf version
> <http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/unix_prog_design.pdf>, ps version
> <http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/unix_prog_design.ps>) but the points in
> it was then and are still now, fresh:  What is it that you need to get the
> job done - to me, that is Doug's "Universal Unix" concept.
>
> When I answer questions on quora about learning Linux and other UNIX
> derivative, I still point them at their  book:   *The Unix Programming
> Environment
> <http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/013937681X?ie=UTF8&tag=catv-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=013937681X>*
>
> I would say, if the can login into the system and complete the exercises
> in UPE without having to make changes, you are pretty close to Doug's
> "Universal UNIX" environment.  And if you can use the tools, without having
> to think about them and they pretty much are what you rely upon everyday,
> you are getting close to my ideal of 'good taste.'
>
>
"The UNIX Programming Environment" is still one of my favorite books of all
times.  That is the essence of Universal Unix philosophy.

If only Linux, which is de facto standard Unix operating system these days,
would strive towards that simplicity and compatibility with this Universal
Unix instead of going systemd route -- that would make me forever happy.

--Andy
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-16 17:52 Clem Cole
2017-10-16 18:16 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2017-10-16 20:39   ` Toby Thain
2017-10-16 18:54 ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2017-10-17 13:51   ` Tony Finch
2017-10-17 20:22     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-16 20:05 ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30  0:55   ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-30  2:54     ` Bakul Shah
2017-10-30 14:05       ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-16 20:39 ` Andy Kosela [this message]
2017-10-18 23:03 Doug McIlroy
2017-10-19  3:53 ` Random832
2017-10-19 14:33   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:41     ` Random832
2017-10-19 21:03       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-20 19:54       ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-19 14:32 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-10-30 14:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-30 14:40 ` Clem Cole
2017-10-30 15:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-10-30 20:56 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-10-31 10:50   ` Ronald Natalie
2017-11-01  3:23     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-11-01 13:25       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-11-16  1:17         ` Dario Niedermann
2017-11-15  1:25       ` Nemo
2017-11-15  2:10         ` Will Senn
2017-11-15  2:16           ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15  2:37             ` Warner Losh
2017-11-15  3:07               ` Will Senn
2017-11-15 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:23                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-11-15 16:48                     ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15 18:13                       ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:01                         ` Clem Cole
2017-11-15  9:58               ` Andy Kosela
2017-11-15 11:42           ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 14:05     ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 16:42       ` arnold
2017-11-01 17:17         ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-01 18:03           ` Dan Cross
2017-11-01 18:06           ` arnold
2017-11-01 20:16             ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-01 20:37               ` arnold
2017-11-01 21:04                 ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-02  0:05                 ` Chet Ramey
2017-11-02  0:10             ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-10-31 16:43   ` Don Hopkins
2017-11-02 17:48   ` Paul Winalski
2017-10-30 21:50 ` Charles Anthony
2017-10-30 21:40 Noel Chiappa
2017-10-31 19:23 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 22:51 Norman Wilson
2017-11-01 23:09 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-11-02 20:29 ` Grant Taylor
2017-11-15 14:06 Noel Chiappa
2017-11-15 17:12 ` Ralph Corderoy
2017-11-15 17:47   ` Larry McVoy
2017-11-15 18:40   ` Bakul Shah
2017-11-15 19:58     ` Larry McVoy

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