From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 3a8ac06b for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 05:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 69DB9A3712; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:37:52 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73002A370B; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:36:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 81C38A3705; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:36:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com (mail-lf1-f45.google.com [209.85.167.45]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EA5BA3704 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:36:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id v5so29206732lfe.7 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:36:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jCmHyGaIuGNxyzXZd5Q1fHPbuYhmjaoiljMHZgflVjY=; b=Me3WTxik/dEJYK5eCJgwqxbxbPcMPeSE0io1q1IGGhUOoM6q+RFlN3LVV9XDZ5IIo+ Li4z5oqR/gOt6TN+oi4T/oLJh+39thbfBa2nt3nAKLTUbnfZ2uumPQkqj+fQPZAkv+/4 DrNA0TB3fAHpYLwmOu1+4lTNDUd53WhtMDxQlav0ifcj5+03l61nitnNtT/HaThpcCnu VtiJMI8+bOvfNMxdZIoIQgaMSxw9J1q1e5EJnAp38/3cDp0q63sM9kjKHgPr/LUv8yah mRmv0V+fCGKDzEcIZbGTR41jNBUMrtzvAI8zOIV07RmK26mmESBgoV6awQ8zy58OimNt NOuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYwf+i4KvxlBJiGZO+3Zkog+yGWzvVWCZL6b6sDyK8HeZ8qjh8T 1jt/7K38YXce6nqTEnsmnQA5R8gGVY2ixihpIeM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Va7yLpilqz+fiscwA2/33+n859wVNb7mK/bWFt+S4nu9Y9mf6GFXN3iq6fbtU5k1VaJzke+Xfb/7oKLyVn5Zo= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c70a:: with SMTP id x10mr29161400lff.88.1546839404796; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 21:36:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901062341.x06NfXe2021557@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: From: Andy Kosela Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 23:36:31 -0600 Message-ID: To: "A. P. Garcia" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix [really RMS bashing] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:01 PM A. P. Garcia wr= ote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 9:39 PM Warner Losh > >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 7:06 PM Steve Nickolas >> >>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2019, A. P. Garcia wrote: >>> >>> If not for GNU, Unix would still have been cloned. Net/2 happened in >>> parallel, did it not? >> >> >> Berkeley actively rewrote most of unix yes. Net/1 was released about the= same time GNU was getting started. Net/2 and later 4.4 BSD continued this = trend, where 4.4 was finally a complete system. BSD386 only lagged Linux by= about a year and had much stronger networking support, but supported fewer= obscure devices than linux... >> >> Warner >> >> Ps I know this glosses over a lot, and isn't intended to be pedantic as = to who got where first. Only they were about the same time... and I'm espec= ially glossing over the AT&T suits, etc. > > > It's really hard to say. How would you compile it? Clang didn't come alon= g until 2007. The Amsterdam Compiler Kit, perhaps? I find it ironic that BSD people are so quick to bash RMS, yet they have been using his tools (gcc and various utils) for years... By reading this thread it appears there are more people that have personal issues with RMS than technical ones. I find usually there are two sides to each story though. One side is eloquently presented in 2001 movie "Revolution OS"[1] starring RMS amongst others. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D4vW62KqKJ5A --Andy --Andy