From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29671 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2021 16:01:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Mar 2021 16:01:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 68D2E9C886; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:01:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D299C82B; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:01:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="E7jj4284"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B59A29C82B; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:01:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f48.google.com (mail-wr1-f48.google.com [209.85.221.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 125409C829 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 02:01:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f48.google.com with SMTP id x16so13385143wrn.4 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=OcgE5WMMVy8MZHjFdAzeU9zbrGsFSMbkvicswbVriQI=; b=E7jj42845YNYGrS5kwpmTS6hn4Yu2r1aYWDizxMy46dZoSXLYCFKbRYD0Nb7Wwx9Zf OC/+bXDE8DgPJTgNnYmbxt3iXjPJJFEZ+UoWCTtBT5vhRGG+lVNLO0hUMxJYBbBVHo38 xIsEcjzl3IfHJqtttG0K3c+Z1Z9vumYfsmzMEgaKfPSTQ8Oi+/iFiotMVHnOqyFj74Ce xPPgKrGqVkt6bySq8RA3FiSKFMwyY7hPtt4b9nbM/vqadOStSvM84X525gTjdokBI3uZ kP0F8PRtSw5XCJkT+HeQG1EQgqrPbzMkDPET5YRqCiNnkme/lDVmn/3sA69OpZPbLWNx sxEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OcgE5WMMVy8MZHjFdAzeU9zbrGsFSMbkvicswbVriQI=; b=tEtPFyuub3eEidhjJF8oy7fbkKIVf+4a5L5FDz4zAuMZRDZ9uWNSZUnNuSLNNX/Wfs bMhnbvvDjE/G08IEE1w9cBZp8SYVqckt01JvAfr8pVNFms9T3cLO5ID9s6MuPKBjYuxi M4dad9ysnZKkioryNlSwl6GS6vag+7N09Q3wbBgbwzIgNLDVida51jjwOh3yKrZ8IJnv +Ks6XJwCPnPz0pSkraV96Gbmizw/kgzxv1EvjnoHJQQ2wglnheQvQ2uL+jabVC5NsDuj QaBpplYNVQVjdxWnA8Cry8QjruEvlmbbuNMO8v7NitEXfck+oPKCkwSJv/1cMbDY649k Tn2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533XjoAHY1DpgzxyFqEJvqv94n2e6GXYmEI4tfPMwh+GLIapn/6Z DD3Z14ML0Q9M9EE1QwtlOSuZoLX+I0sqvvptwUA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzEz4IfJUYnkBBg+5tOP62rlwQzglqc21w+IyDZt7ycrRR+O60D1UOd4/JDORqGGxWwi59Ub0IawpBu6NFF8pY= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6c6d:: with SMTP id r13mr29201187wrz.362.1617033661435; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:01:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a5d:510c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2021 09:01:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20210329143449.GA28080@mcvoy.com> From: Andy Kosela Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 18:01:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: vpnLUwoAxklixXBQXeyI_VPvzH0 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Remember the ed thread? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On 3/29/21, Clem Cole wrote: > Anders -- good for you. > > That said, as one of those 'grey beards,' can I recommend that you stop, > and go to a technical library or bookstore and find yourself a copy of Rob > and Brian's wonderful book: "*The Unix Programming Environment*" (*a.k.a* > "UPE" or ISBN 0-13-937699-2) *then do the exercises*. That book is still > relevant today - a little secret, I give a copy of it and "*Advanced > Programming in the Unix Environment*" (*a.k.a.* "APUE") to all my new > engineers - even though they are all using 'Linux' for their work. To > those that object at first, I remind them, Linux is just the current and > most popular implementation of the ideas from Ken, Dennis, Doug, and > friends and I'm sure they will learn something from the time invested[1]. +1. It is still my all time favorite Unix book, but the best ed(1) tutorial I read has to be UNIX Programmer's Manual for Version 7. Still highly recommended. --Andy