From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id eb136b28 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 03:30:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4C78EA271C; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:30:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DC5A26DC; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:29:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9C561A26DC; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:29:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f68.google.com (mail-lf1-f68.google.com [209.85.167.68]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C73C293FC6 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:29:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f68.google.com with SMTP id n18so17841214lfh.6 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:29:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=n2G3+bClL8KOV2kA+BTYzDDRWHuwD5mvcRt9hx+oU5A=; b=cM5QoWoVAtmqghEUMY8gkVuGVWMgNmZ+DvMWargXUTk+STv9cjCeG8nH7ELnXMNVGw Q3lRWpND3HXojBxZ7KJV+jsgiy0RrbZ6vHq66XbM0YPNUYrn6ksxfDWeHsl8S02XM+Ej nBTScDzQEy51GiVYKvaz1UCJOVzrMv9U9ccs6nSsd4cQrOMOg0b0Jhk9d10tgsJC7qzh ruC7CoIiAUaCSthiRguDuYd0VPrO7X7dNlO3Cu+AZIiamhOhiv1VR/pnz7j2HS75EPFw 5e5F+VWFq/RebN5ArKw3PEONaZGPHNwifWHVeK/1z3ORSQ8TL2Y1bySPHF28//2+fHiH HSbg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=n2G3+bClL8KOV2kA+BTYzDDRWHuwD5mvcRt9hx+oU5A=; b=nRvdFDBpAmfx+SjEErZQcq7n6dZJkoYwoA+22pk2YG5WvJyASmt7CHdW2RDKtiFR98 m6EPyiDPe9cjgXaCpaOUw8PMplw0n3G/O9UoRrTpSSLFM2M5A+DlH3xGK6q5vM0aAG2o lj0Yty4Cb/AJDy9fqJb6RRVYNHNuWS8J/+Kj7YT02Rli5qjb2GA+f40jAh+rgh8jr+jI wdWwqP2mL9sYE7dKqtWjonPZMBXdgmA5Yyj3tyhXNjwXwTpPlVwqE5FkB/K1oPTIqUcV cy360qgtVglZD3txTakqwDK79z2y3X5u/qx+byS4hAjXulSlKgq7wMH2xr46MUqD+cR0 8qqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gL3o/WUAZ7qAe+bzikV2xx235lPgwFHzH33kSQFLpBqF5KAxRuo Sgzg2PY18UVtZ1KXAsoS0ABteITkahwsXylwi9RJez9e X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5e/sqHibBMB0bs9kwEz7O5aq09JF+fPRLDMkNsEbKbJiKBjnlEmhnD3cSNPtikIfyKTrHTtWZ5cmvbaBcwIvVQ= X-Received: by 2002:a19:978c:: with SMTP id z134mr7315668lfd.109.1542425365610; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:29:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a2e:634f:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:29:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <17703613.640.1542382385149.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> References: <7a632484-cdc7-7c59-7077-7a2c752045da@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> <17703613.640.1542382385149.JavaMail.root@zimbraanteil> From: Andy Kosela Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:29:24 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VEjjjVOvhCSNimMe4KQXtoSmIdU Message-ID: To: Jim Capp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000284b9057ad3e486" Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000000284b9057ad3e486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Friday, November 16, 2018, Jim Capp wrote: > It was man pages that first caught my eye, placing me on a life-long path > of working > with Unix and its derivatives. > > I was working on a project for a telephone company, converting IBM 2780 > Bisync to > async, and was given a manual and root access to a Xenix machine. I had > cut my > teeth on a Radio Shack TRS-80 and knew BASIC and Z80 machine code. > > The machine had BASIC, so that is where I started. I had spent an > afternoon > writing a hex dump program before I discovered "od". I spent the next day > reading > all the man pages. I was amazed with their simplicity and clarity. > > Having finished the man pages, I read the Unix Programmer's Manual cover to > cover. > I re-wrote the hex dump in C just for fun. I was sold. > > The remarkable simplicity of Unix, the kernel, the commands, the > documentation, > is a beautiful thing. And I was fortunate to have found it early in my > career. > > It was also a time, when the manuals were concise enough to read them all > in a few day's time. > > Yup. Things were much more simple at that time. Now try to do the same with modern "Unix": more than 15 millions lines of code in Linux, more than 10 millions in FreeBSD, some man pages are literally pages and pages of bizarre options, and userland is just a complicated mess of hundreds of commands that you never used in your entire life... Add some spice in the form of systemd and you got the modern "Unix". Enjoy programming in such a "simple" and "concise" environment now... --Andy --0000000000000284b9057ad3e486 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Friday, November 16, 2018, Jim Capp <jcapp@anteil.com> wrote:
= It was man pages that first caught my eye, placing me on a life-long path o= f working
with Unix and its derivatives.

I was= working on a project for a telephone company, converting IBM 2780 Bisync t= o
async, and was given a manual an= d root access to a Xenix machine.=C2=A0 I had cut my
teeth on a Radio Shack TRS-80 and knew BASIC and = Z80 machine code.

The machine had BASIC, so that = is where I started.=C2=A0 I had spent an afternoon
writing a hex dump program before I discovered &quo= t;od".=C2=A0 I spent the next day reading
all the man pages.=C2=A0 I was amazed with their simpli= city and clarity.

Having finished the man pages, = I read the Unix Programmer's Manual=C2=A0cover=C2=A0to cover.
I re-wrote the hex dump in C just f= or fun.=C2=A0 I was sold.
<= br>
The remarkable simplici= ty of Unix, the kernel, the commands, the documentation,
<= span style=3D"font-size:12pt">is a beautiful thing.=C2=A0 And I was fortuna= te to have found it early in my career.

It was al= so a time, when the manuals were concise enough to read them all
in a few day's time.
=


Yup.=C2=A0= Things were much more simple at that time.=C2=A0 Now try to do the same wi= th modern "Unix": more than 15 millions lines of code in Linux, m= ore than 10 millions in FreeBSD, some man pages are literally pages and pag= es of bizarre options, and userland is just a complicated mess of hundreds = of commands that you never used in your entire life... Add some spice in th= e form of systemd and you got the modern "Unix". =C2=A0

Enjoy programming in such a "simple" and "co= ncise" environment now...

--Andy
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