From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664F726D79 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 13:54:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D986426BA; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:53:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7E2426AB for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 22:53:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-559cef15db5so7394709a12.0 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 04:53:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1705928027; x=1706532827; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3TrxwBeCTIyapf3Jm8bkIYYU7EkqwmcxXl3368iJYhk=; b=EeDCflUK2Aq1dICOLFmnxCt+zS8i5IO0E5w03Pyvh/8RXsz9SUYuL3oc+/kKoIBrM5 7C/orqVsP1YyezKoBfKg3BI2CcWofdOFrwvl9ZPlgIbTXCVWQnLcTx8tRzerg+5Q56HX 5UQh3WW58V8PrklT/hVQhEsrVvL/t/R6zYPgBfnpddoF8QMXmu4ojeL2NYdNWBVoDwMD riKKXGIAiKdlmzILZYRJXyWumLabWPiLlRn3Wh13mvqMHATOPeQ3gDvyO0XvqbGMepOw PoMrs/nmaTrP+tA2Yc7HA6c34BsY+oq6SINPkBcR5dUTcp8H3wAcSLkmBG7dnthoZ3In DfJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705928027; x=1706532827; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=3TrxwBeCTIyapf3Jm8bkIYYU7EkqwmcxXl3368iJYhk=; b=iJujrclXDAD+9M3ntwrH1jMASNnfzgczvDtjbXvYT083tozDKreAxxRZjvoX7Op8r3 juODZI62mb28ZUUWCTZcHmXbVZ5VJ2Zv0aaF8ZxmPIRJe6RQYPyb0UN6NR6fieJq+f8F tp9mi3AP30fE67VyVgdVzjUnPMhW+zSGrxu4joOhQWUNfJLjxlIn1Bj3ak0jCpO3I/mm fzpt8eXm0YTq5smkz37mZ5FovEUXdiNMC+X05jDrRAOLI6q1pXYQepdHZOGNzAhVZsjP 26mt5u+Nx6K1Vex+GzCZiDc5m3a1U0nvk/DeDp9DlNws/bf49tIA8LyP9MNsSY89UvjG 9e8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyeagAgLLJbM6Wj7VVh3vlgG8yvfFO7BLvOg7mg7blekJtkvfzt Ncbl/6SbxJNe2PSPXWZzDhxD0Jwnkp0sqm1XE6Gk7rGaivAygw3cAO9WWTp7DxxhAlLDrB6S9C0 j37d4y6TR+EnnSmSQzqNmUdnoj2CZk64f X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFrd7AAx4NZrfnHD+BuK/MD4VsZl5LIEbBzU3IfV28toRuM6DCqUGCflWfOtx6jJl4AdWBeyc/9pioW80edpWY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:fa8e:b0:a1d:8d09:d07d with SMTP id lt14-20020a170906fa8e00b00a1d8d09d07dmr4196128ejb.47.1705928027069; Mon, 22 Jan 2024 04:53:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marc Donner Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 07:53:37 -0500 Message-ID: To: Royce Williams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000010e0ab060f885251" Message-ID-Hash: THRAOLV5VFWZMISWHWX5UB5MRC4YTT6M X-Message-ID-Hash: THRAOLV5VFWZMISWHWX5UB5MRC4YTT6M X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Mills' initial implementation of FTP - best citation? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000010e0ab060f885251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" We need a code repository for original code like this. Cue the backup restoration. On Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 02:59 Royce Williams wrote: > What is the best public, unambiguous, non-YouTube reference I can cite for > the late David Mills' initial FTP work? > > I see that the wording on his Wikipedia page has the ambiguous phrase "had > the first implementation of FTP", which has been flagged as needing > clarification, so I intend to provide it. > > In both this interview: > > https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/113899/oh403dlm.pdf > > ... and this video recording of Mills himself giving a lecture at UDel: > > https://youtu.be/08jBmCvxkv4?t=428 > > ... it's quite clear that it's literally true - he authored, compiled, > installed, implemented, and tested the very first (and apparently second) > FTP server. But Wikipedia's guidelines discourage YouTube-only citations, > and the text in the interview seems insufficiently detailed to have > citation value. > > What is the best reference I can cite? > > Thanks! > > -- > Royce > --00000000000010e0ab060f885251 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We need a code repository for original code like this.=C2= =A0 Cue the backup restoration.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024, 02:59 Royce Williams &= lt;royce@techsolvency.com>= wrote:
What = is the best public, unambiguous, non-YouTube reference I can cite for the l= ate David Mills' initial FTP work?

I see t= hat the wording on his Wikipedia page has the ambiguous phrase "had th= e first implementation of FTP", which has been flagged as needing clar= ification,=C2=A0so I intend to provide it.

In both= this interview:


... and this video recording of Mi= lls himself giving a lecture at UDel:


... it= 's quite clear that it's literally true - he authored, compiled, in= stalled, implemented, and tested the=C2=A0very first (and apparently second= ) FTP server. But Wikipedia's guidelines discourage YouTube-only citati= ons, and the text in the interview seems insufficiently detailed to have ci= tation value.

What is the best reference I can cit= e?

Thanks!

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Royce
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