From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18690 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2022 22:44:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Nov 2022 22:44:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0E341C00; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:44:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f50.google.com (mail-oa1-f50.google.com [209.85.160.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 440C341BF8 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:44:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f50.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-142612a5454so14921229fac.2 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:44:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UUCieemlN9nZkBB3tT2CKaKugfh6FA/FBCRnKSTslwQ=; b=p2A9522bJdwb81GWXi+8O6pNEhhSh7j2/2IudGbdBSBq03HU4id90rIx9AZDOJsN8N OnYc4i6x/biIWuoaVhL9Um4mgjVbUqrAcyFw0ja9Xh/47trbZuToW3MTR7e+eweAPI1M +I+oqJucO4h9p2Tfnn/lJunaHSJcceCG/6kExdL8wAQYbPBbU91HvoBxXE5URtNz1+aU owz3Fm64NBeyXG+xL39XiSBBWzadI1rPQHhxWJMbRxcNygZk/Sh4EWWWcxEttuyGZ6i+ dW9PmW3ZELytWMakGiyo8wVCNtIILOFnJXAcgCDrqYI/juD5IgUBE1u7zcpKp9AuBf32 O9bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=UUCieemlN9nZkBB3tT2CKaKugfh6FA/FBCRnKSTslwQ=; b=Hueko0/L3sLQ+g81YuU3F0/na8dYK/1q6W773zKTMz848gIaaSBXG0LaNx1RJgYtFy UJBGUQfbRRiAmN8GfLsCh7RIogamvCBVIg4NwCpSQCE4IOJxtnNGMNa/Za9mNI/KZYec pbILWoxBSXDPyT/+mA9/M9N3k2pUlq5/Gqsp9D/dISql8ZptmQoQU0dq3mxrCkOdUgxZ 2GtnNBnJluZxOt8j35zG5e4wYwhcgynbf/kxgZ1b37NwgTiSpUcyMuglzsPRNzT+V68H PWxZVnzhilP2seJ+vBH2wy9Fi8WWSIoPxxLbuW+ifyMv4oYrXQuwxZQn4KLKZ3y22y9K t50g== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnZNr6MpUfIn++ipM05VWXxVg3rbR2TtJJNVZ7gp9XUoHDlZOdZ FOeH7a1o/khjBH2NZiOxFjMXxVShFcA0hFiB++Iequ8f X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5Bsm84Lcs6WwXi/8vC6YjH6ygNRK2rK5STOdt2zViQlog5/hFm3qoCwrBRI0eL6Ayb099gmod9UHsn4e1fTKc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:4607:b0:13b:9bf2:25a8 with SMTP id nf7-20020a056871460700b0013b9bf225a8mr18848820oab.102.1669675420289; Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:43:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f278bf8-de57-4e77-a3b8-d007d7c3a446@app.fastmail.com> <20221126191827.GV18011@mcvoy.com> <764dda08-f358-4c74-8056-ef8fc80bcaac@app.fastmail.com> <20221126232323.GX18011@mcvoy.com> <20221127001714.GY18011@mcvoy.com> <202211270443.2AR4hofO067295@ultimate.com> <0EB50C1F-D226-40BF-8F42-43CB988B036E@jctaylor.com> In-Reply-To: From: Marc Donner Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:43:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: ron minnich Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000051103105ee8f9a98" Message-ID-Hash: 5AAB4EB4L664JQQLQLK4BZXLGATJQ52G X-Message-ID-Hash: 5AAB4EB4L664JQQLQLK4BZXLGATJQ52G X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Reaction to the 3B2 at Bell Labs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000051103105ee8f9a98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IBM built a major semiconductor fab up in Fishkill, NY. About two hours drive north of NYC. At one point (mid-1980s) it was the biggest fab in the world according to some metric. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 17:35 ron minnich wrote: > I was visiting Holmdel in 1981, and there was a tradeshow for the BellMAC > CPUs there, filling ground floor of the central atrium. There was some > swag, which I had for a few years, including refrigerator magnets. The on= e > I remember: > "Don't be alone, call MACphone!" > > I remember reading an article in the early 80s pointing out that, due to > the scale of the Bell System, the center of the universe of semiconductor > fabrication at that time was ... Allentown, PA. Western Electric had an a= d, > along the lines of, "who will create the 256 Kb memory part? WE will" -- = WE > as in Western Electric.Those parts would have been fabbed in Allentown > IIRC. > > It is a bit hard to recall, much less believe. but PA, land of dead stil= l > mills, the Molly Maguires, and underground coal mine fires that will burn > for centuries, also had silicon. > > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM Kenneth Goodwin < > kennethgoodwin56@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That must be the 300 B superhive model CPU >> >> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 1:54 PM William Corcoran wrote: >> >>> I have a 3b2/300. Anytime you run a command that is compute bound, lik= e >>> factoring a large prime number, the CPU buzzes! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bill Corcoran >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 27, 2022, at 9:52 AM, John P. Linderman >>> wrote: >>> >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> >>> We were "gifted" a 3B2, as in "take this and use it!". I ran a "ps" >>> command in single user mode, and it took 20 seconds to run. >>> Our machine names were themed around bird names, so we christened the >>> 3B2 "junco". Our director said we had to get along, >>> so we renamed it "jay". But everyone knew what the J stood for. The 3B2 >>> served as a doorstop. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:44 PM Phil Budne wrote: >>> >>>> Larry McVoy wrote: >>>> > I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000. It's sad that the 9000 >>>> > wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives. >>>> >>>> In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his >>>> head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000: >>>> >>>> @2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU >>>> >>>> In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier >>>> predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over >>>> minis and mainframes: >>>> >>>> @1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU >>>> >>>> He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross >>>> margins as it did in the VAX era. >>>> >>> >>> >>> THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL -- This email was sent from someone OUTSIDE o= f >>> the NSM Insurance Group email system. PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN REVIEWING >>> THIS EMAIL. >>> >>> --00000000000051103105ee8f9a98 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IBM built a major semiconductor fab up in Fishkill, NY.= =C2=A0 About two hours drive north of NYC.=C2=A0 At one point (mid-1980s) i= t was the biggest fab in the world according to some metric.

On Mon, Nov 28,= 2022, 17:35 ron minnich <rminnich= @gmail.com> wrote:
I was visiting Holmdel in 1981, and there was a tradeshow for the = BellMAC CPUs there, filling ground floor of the=C2=A0central atrium. There = was some swag, which I had for a few years, including refrigerator magnets.= The one I remember:
"Don't be alone, call MACphone!"

I remember reading an article in the early 80s pointi= ng out that, due to the scale of the Bell System, the center of the univers= e=C2=A0of semiconductor fabrication at that time was ... Allentown, PA. Wes= tern Electric had an ad, along the lines of, "who will create the 256 = Kb memory=C2=A0part? WE will" -- WE as in Western Electric.Those parts= would have been fabbed in Allentown IIRC.=C2=A0

= =C2=A0It is a bit hard to recall, much less believe. but PA, land of dead s= till mills, the Molly Maguires, and underground coal mine fires that will b= urn for centuries, also had silicon.




On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 1:01 PM Kenneth Goodwin <ken= nethgoodwin56@gmail.com> wrote:
That must be the 300 B superhive m= odel CPU

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 1:54 PM William Corcoran <wlc@jctaylor.com> wrote:
I have a 3b2/300.=C2=A0 Anytime you run a command that is compute bound, li= ke factoring a large prime number, the CPU buzzes!



Bill Corcoran
=EF=BB=BF

[EXTERNAL]


We were "gifted= " a 3B2, as in "take this and use it!". I ran a "ps&quo= t; command in single user mode, and it took 20 seconds to run.
Our machine names we= re themed around bird names, so we christened the 3B2 "junco". Ou= r director said we had to get along,
so we renamed it &qu= ot;jay". But everyone knew what the J stood for. The 3B2 served as a d= oorstop.

On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 11:44 PM Phil= Budne <phil@ultimate.com> wrote:
Larry McVoy wrote:
> I read the Wikipedia page on the 9000.=C2=A0 It's sad that the 900= 0
> wasn't cancelled when they had better alternatives.

In an oral history Bob Supnik described Ken Olsen couldn't get his
head around the fact that the NVAX chip could equal the 9000:

@2:59:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU

In part 2, Bob described how then DEC VP Gordon Bell having earlier
predicted when the microprocessor performance curve would cross over
minis and mainframes:

@1:51:45 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT3tcCBHRIfU

He also talks about how the company couldn't command the bsame gross margins as it did in the VAX era.


THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL -- This email was sent from someone OUTSIDE of th= e NSM Insurance Group email system. PLEASE USE CAUTION WHEN REVIEWING THIS = EMAIL.
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