I'd certainly list Bob Sproull for all three, from personal observation. My guess is that Ivan Sutherland probably qualified back when he still programmed ... I mean, after all, he invented the linked list in order to implement his thesis program (Sketchpad) in about 1960. ===== nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:50 PM Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Larry McVoy > > > At least 30 years ago I said "He's good programmer, a good architect, > > and a good manager. I've never seen that in one person before". > > Corby? Although he was just down the hall from me, I never saw him > operating > in any of those roles; maybe some of the old-time Unix people have some > insight. Saltzer is about off-scale in #2; probably good as a manager > (although I had a monumental blow-up with him in the hallway on the 5th > floor, but I was pretty close to unmanageable when I was young ;-); he took > over Athena when it was stumbling, and got it going. Dave Clark is high on > all three - he could manage me! :-) > > Bob Taylor? PARC did some _incredibly_ important stuff in his time. Yes, I > know a lot of the credit goes to those under him (Butler Lampson, Alan Kay > - > not sure if he was in Taylor's group, Boggs, Metcalfe, etc) but he had to > manage them all. Not sure what his technical role was, though. > > Vint Cerf? Again, A1*** as a manager, but had some failings as a > architect. I > think the biggest share of the blame for the decision to remove the > variable > size addresses from TCP/IP3, and replace them with 32-bit addresses in > TCP/IPv4, goes to him. (Alas, I was down the hall, not in the room, that > day; > I wasn't allowed in until the _next_ meeting. I like to think that if I'd > been > there, I could/would have pointed out the 'obvious' superior alternative - > 'only length 4 must be supported at this time'.) > > Noel > > PS: ISTR that about a month ago someone was asking for management papers > from that era (but I was too busy to reply); two good ones are: > > - F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, "A Managerial View of the Multics > System Development" > https://multicians.org/managerial.html > - F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, and J. H. Saltzer, "Multics -- the > first seven years" > https://multicians.org/f7y.html >