From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26575 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2022 22:52:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Dec 2022 22:52:15 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9C042415; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:51:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com [209.85.167.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B785242411 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:51:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id s187so9688410oie.10 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:51:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6Y3NDlOcZkw/kPky8FR3t7lzEq+QAkfamfDVDlu6b0c=; b=HbwilpDXZ/Q/vkmBJXlSm499YBZDqUDIvA6TPOTZ/68bdAVaPBMg5hocGTU2fFIUb+ E7x8SMbO18B9pPjdu7wjBF0YZM6Uuwx9CGfDhdAGc7eGZR8CluJLHymS0Y5JHAtzyYb9 mRNnqvg9ZVoA8lT/dK8gpwJ6vuq2vExaAPZX1EJSQ61ItqGpsirhPvRRGJ1NDz8ATq52 J7dPMqevQtZ2ppHry34RQLFmId5LNmC4pE0bqZO6SjWj0RK2htHW2enlw1dYrdXyht6E mIY5Na+TouJyt0PPgSgDx247atfkVMacaT12gP6cFPv14k/kEiBL8TSvDOx5o1IcwDZp Vt7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=6Y3NDlOcZkw/kPky8FR3t7lzEq+QAkfamfDVDlu6b0c=; b=ckhDesscmRZx1ZFVflBZgr7b7ln7Vh2yDRiN20VI7pKt0JU2ihMVgvY6R2eWovo5za XDL5C/bW4mpKMsRN3tabK2vff88QvoSrfWqAK4QsQLAmXqyeFuYxQTbuuJaoyxnrzhtj u9c+O0LQ7scomu4E6zS7aARIhXAjafB04YOvOH+JlrpF7gzx/w7atEYBk8DXznTnsIvS U8rFVoL2PKzuAeuhwELPpHc3MAPez8EhsyydmuY1lnA8YydInuQbij3BZCQD7naG1dlw DqDmP2RS33ntBcxQe7kQ4NALdkNiBwyOtscTLzB62oPj1f1ivINTRzplJ+ujxb/X3/mD 2zPg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pnSp5PobmePgaDWv591yLnQT/bnq/NiEdburZe9ib1ABvCZbhmZ 0rgVlaZZxvMA7PRTSTOJuJDkdWxZ6O8AZX8x8y06r+aVQw4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf7tVMbpiNQAglUQ6xtX5gkFw+BdbW69lrZzjo0/jfAja+jfk0/bt0QSzJnlOg/9LYKMUR8khxLT0f7JVdIFW8M= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:110:b0:35e:7c29:bb50 with SMTP id b16-20020a056808011000b0035e7c29bb50mr313279oie.102.1670799034821; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marc Donner Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 17:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: To: John Cowan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f6314005ef9536ae" Message-ID-Hash: SEJY3BYLA7EMODTIW4E52JVCAHRFUBMZ X-Message-ID-Hash: SEJY3BYLA7EMODTIW4E52JVCAHRFUBMZ X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Bringing a Chainsaw List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f6314005ef9536ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" If so, please rewrite my garbling of Mike's comments into something resembling English :-) ===== nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:47 PM John Cowan wrote: > Thanks again! I'll pass this on to Eric Raymond, current maintainer of > the Jargon File. > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:24 PM Marc Donner wrote: > >> I heard from Mike Cowlishaw about the IBM jargon items "branch to >> Fishkill" and "branch to Owego" >> >> They reflect a set of site pairs within IBM in which one site designed >> and made hardware (Fishkill, Owego) and another site designs and builds >> software (Kingston, Endicott). To the software folks the hardware world >> was esoteric and weird, hence the branch targets for weirdness were the >> hardware sites. >> ===== >> nygeek.net >> mindthegapdialogs.com/home >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:15 PM Marc Donner >> wrote: >> >>> Mike is an old friend ... I will send him a copy of "Bringing a >>> Chainsaw" and ask ... I don't think he was in Yorktown at the time but I >>> probably told him about the work while it was happening. >>> ===== >>> nygeek.net >>> mindthegapdialogs.com/home >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 11:56 AM Adam Sampson wrote: >>> >>>> John Cowan writes: >>>> >>>> > Some editions of the Jargon File contain an entry for _branch to >>>> > Fishkill_, defined as "Any unexpected jump in a program that produces >>>> > catastrophic or just plain weird results" and attributed to IBM. >>>> >>>> Mike Cowlishaw's IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary, Tenth >>>> Edition was probably the source for >>>> this -- it includes both "branch to Fishkill" and "branch to Owego" with >>>> exactly this definition. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Adam Sampson >>> > >>>> >>> --000000000000f6314005ef9536ae Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If so, please rewrite my garbling of Mike's= comments into something resembling English :-)

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:47 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
Thanks= again!=C2=A0 I'll pass this on to Eric Raymond, current maintainer of = the Jargon File.

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:24 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com= > wrote:
=
I heard from Mike Cowlishaw about the IBM jargo= n items "branch to Fishkill" and "branch to Owego"

They reflect a set of site pairs within IB= M in which one site designed and made hardware (Fishkill, Owego) and anothe= r site designs and builds software (Kingston, Endicott).=C2=A0 To the softw= are folks the hardware world was esoteric and weird, hence the branch targe= ts for weirdness were the hardware sites.

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:15 PM Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Mike is an old friend ... I will send him a copy of = "Bringing a Chainsaw" and ask ... I don't think he was in Yor= ktown at the time but I probably told him about the work while it was happe= ning.
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<= a href=3D"http://nygeek.net" target=3D"_blank">nygeek.net


On Sat, Dec 10, 2022= at 11:56 AM Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> wrote:
John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> writes:

> Some editions of the Jargon File contain an entry for _branch to
> Fishkill_, defined as "Any unexpected jump in a program that prod= uces
> catastrophic or just plain weird results" and attributed to IBM.<= br>
Mike Cowlishaw's IBM Jargon and General Computing Dictionary, Tenth
Edition <http://www.comlay.net/ibmjarg.pdf> was probably = the source for
this -- it includes both "branch to Fishkill" and "branch to= Owego" with
exactly this definition.

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